Magician 250 enduro won't star

[pistolclass]

Defeating that switch would be my first mod to the Magician if I owned one.

[wamey]

Originally Posted by clark

Make sure that kickstand is up. Kickstand has as a kill switch attached; when the kickstand is down, the ignition circuit is open.

x2 on this, even in neutral it won't start if the kickstand is down...

[clark]

Originally Posted by pistolclass

Defeating that switch would be my first mod to the Magician if I owned one.

I am looking at overriding the kickstand kill switch. My first obstacle is that the two phillips-head screws mounting the kickstand, look like they were screwed down with a gorilla fisted heavy duty pneumatic driver at the factory - can you say "rounded off?" My neighbor has an impact driver - hope this backs those screws out.
Thoughts from any others who might have already tackled the Magician 250 kickstand kill switch?
You would think there would be a simple way to override the kickstand kill switch?

[goat67]

Originally Posted by clark

I am looking at overriding the kickstand kill switch. My first obstacle is that the two phillips-head screws mounting the kickstand, look like they were screwed down with a gorilla fisted heavy duty pneumatic driver at the factory - can you say "rounded off?" My neighbor has an impact driver - hope this backs those screws out.
Thoughts from any others who might have already tackled the Magician 250 kickstand kill switch?
You would think there would be a simple way to override the kickstand kill switch?

Can you get at the two wires that go to the switch?

You have two options either the switch opens the circuit wires not touching
or the switch closes a circuit wires touching.
You just need to figure out if you need to have the wires put together or separated to bypass the switch.
Real easy have them separated and see if it will start if it does you are done.
If it does not then solder the wires together and shrink wrap it and call it good.

[clark]

Brozz, yes, agree. Although not OCD, I like to keep things in order. I was hoping to remove the kickstand kill switch. But, given it is, on my cycle, almost welded on with rounded off phillips-head screws... I may have to simply clip the wires, as you suggest, and take it from there.

[hertz9753]

Originally Posted by goat67

Can you get at the two wires that go to the switch?

You have two options either the switch opens the circuit wires not touching
or the switch closes a circuit wires touching.
You just need to figure out if you need to have the wires put together or separated to bypass the switch.
Real easy have them separated and see if it will start if it does you are done.
If it does not then solder the wires together and shrink wrap it and call it good.

That is what I would do. With my 1981 Honda XL185S I could disable the key switch just by unplugging it. Not good for anti theft and I only know about it because I dropped my key in the water when I was fishing.

[david3921]

Originally Posted by wamey

x2 on this, even in neutral it won't start if the kickstand is down...

Is this true as it doesn't make sense. If true, you would always have to be sitting on the bike to start it.

[Megadan]

Originally Posted by david3921

Is this true as it doesn't make sense. If true, you would always have to be sitting on the bike to start it.

It makes perfect sense from a "safety" standpoint. You have to be on the bike to start it, meaning your hands are at the controls with your weight on the bike, just in case it is in gear. Many Japanese bikes have come with kickstand switches too.

[pete]

Originally Posted by clark

You would think there would be a simple way to override the kickstand kill switch?

one of 2 ways depending how it works...

1.... just disconect it...
2.... un-plug it & reconnect the 2 wires togeather with a jumper wire "loop"...



..

[pete]

Originally Posted by Megadan

just in casr it is in gear. Many japanese bikes have come with kickstand switches too.

most these days....

Yamaha will start with the kick stand down while in nutrual
but if you put it in gear the motor stops...

mine no longer do that....



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[clark]

Originally Posted by pete

one of 2 ways depending how it works...

1.... just disconect it...
2.... un-plug it & reconnect the 2 wires togeather with a jumper wire "loop"...



..

And the winner is... #1!!! (er, unscrew switch from mount.)
My solution to overriding / defeating the Magician 250 kickstand kill switch...
(Ordered an impact screwdriver on ebay (since I did not have one) and needed to back out the two "rounded off" Phillips head screws.)
Backed out the two Phillips heads... which allowed the kickstand kill switch to back off of the kickstand - and closes the ignition circuit. I.e. simply unscrewing the kill switch now allows your cycle to start regardless of kickstand position.
Tie-wrapped the kickstand kill switch out of the way.
Cycle now idles while kickstand is down! :-)

[eddiechode]

Really??? I am having the same problem. I bought a brand new Magician 250 a few weeks ago and I have yet to get it running. Battery is fully charged and all the lights work but It will not start. I was trying to start it in neutral with the kickstand down and it cranks fine but will not turn over. Is anyone on here 100% sure this bike will not start in neutral with the kickstand down? The reason I ask is because every other bike I own, Kawasaki Vulcan and a Yamaha V-star both have the same kind of kill switch but they will start in neutral. Also if you hold in the clutch and press the start button when the bike is in gear and the kickstand down it will not even attempt to turn over. Where as the Magician makes an attempt to turn over but it just doesn't start.

Any suggestions / comments?

[wamey]

Originally Posted by pete

one of 2 ways depending how it works...

1.... just disconect it...
2.... un-plug it & reconnect the 2 wires togeather with a jumper wire "loop"...



..

Did this a few weeks ago, all you need to do is unplug the kickstand switch. Additionally, the clutch lever switch prevents the bike from being started unless the switch is closed or the engine thinks it is in neutral (neutral light on). This switch tends to break, so just splice the two wires together that are going into the clutch lever assembly.

CAUTION: THIS WILL MAKE IT SO YOU CAN POWER/ENGAGE THE STARTER WHILE IN GEAR

[linemanxxlog]

Originally Posted by eddiechode

Really??? I am having the same problem. I bought a brand new Magician 250 a few weeks ago and I have yet to get it running. Battery is fully charged and all the lights work but It will not start. I was trying to start it in neutral with the kickstand down and it cranks fine but will not turn over. Is anyone on here 100% sure this bike will not start in neutral with the kickstand down? The reason I ask is because every other bike I own, Kawasaki Vulcan and a Yamaha V-star both have the same kind of kill switch but they will start in neutral. Also if you hold in the clutch and press the start button when the bike is in gear and the kickstand down it will not even attempt to turn over. Where as the Magician makes an attempt to turn over but it just doesn't start.

Any suggestions / comments?

Well those were name brand bikes. It will not start with the kickstand down even if you are in neutral. I did like someone else mentioned above and just unscrewed the switch and moved it out of the way. I'm not advising that because that is overriding a safety feature, I am just saying that's what I did.

[clark]

Eddie... welcome to the club!
I think all of us Magician owners get stumped by the darned "kickstand kill switch" Mfg needs to apply a sticker over the ignition switch advising to put the kickstand up when starting.
However, I prefer simply unscrewing the kickstand switch.
Aside from the minor annoyance of the kickstand switch, I am really enjoying the Mag!