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o2jmpr · 08-13-2018, 05:08 PM

Can anyone confirm or deny if the spokes are all the same length?

**JerryHawk250** · 08-13-2018, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by o2jmpr

Can anyone confirm or deny if the spokes are all the same length?

Rlara333 confirmed they worked.

http://chinariders.net/showthread.ph...629#post286629

Rlara333 · 08-13-2018, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by o2jmpr

Can anyone confirm or deny if the spokes are all the same length?

Hawk and TT spokes are the exact same, same markings on both. The right side spokes and left side spokes are marked to differentiate between them

Emerikol · 08-13-2018, 05:53 PM

I have a very similar carrier that came from Harbor Freight. I use it on the back of the Suburban, and will actually be using it next week to take the DR up to Vegas. First things first, it looks like there's a design difference between the carrier I have and this one. My carrier has long bolts that go from frame side to frame side. I removed two of the bolts where the front tire sits to create a 'well' for the front tire to sit in. That adds a little bit of stability to the loading process. Before I even start loading the bike, I hook up the ratchet straps and lay them out so I can easily get to them once the bike is up. From there I load the bike using the ramp, then I gently lean the handlebars against the back glass and hang the loose end of the ratchet straps in position on the bike. To tighten the straps down, I start with the inside strap (the side that's leaning up against the back glass). I tighten it down to take out the slack but not put any strain on the back glass. Then I go and tighten up the outside strap to lever the bike away from the glass. I've found that makes a really tight hold down, and I've not ever had problems doing it that way. Finally, I throw a strap across the back to lock down the back end of the bike and keep it from bouncing off the carrier. Hindsight is always 20/20, but I hope you have better luck getting the bike loaded next time.

o2jmpr · 08-13-2018, 06:16 PM

My fault guys. I should have worded my spoke question differently. It’s confirmed the CSC spokes work but I was specifically asking if the spokes were all the same length from the same set, meaning when I go relace the new rim do I need to pay super close attention to which spoke came from which hole ?

Mudflap · 08-13-2018, 06:20 PM

All spokes will be the same length but there will be 2 types, 18 inner and 18 outer.

o2jmpr · 08-13-2018, 07:22 PM

Yikes. This is getting frustrating. It looks like the TT250 is using a 1.421 rim width. I hate to keep beating this dead horse but is that gonna be a problem? I don’t know enough about the subject of wheels, but I’m willing to learn!

tomrom · 08-13-2018, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chinabike

Oh dam that sucks, sorry man.
I'm sure your error and posting it here will caution others.
So thank you for that.

Dittos!! and thank you for posting this.

roundhouse · 08-13-2018, 08:33 PM

Man that sucks. I ended up just getting the whole wheel from RPS of course it is not true but other than that it is good. lacing a wheel just seems beyond my patience. If you can then I would get spokes and a rim.

o2jmpr · 08-13-2018, 08:58 PM

Lacing and truing isn’t very difficult. The hardest part is figuring what bits and pieces are compatible!

. I’ve done lots of bicycle wheels but I don’t have experience with dirt bike measurements and compatibility. RPS has a very high markup for what you’re getting. Rocky Mountain Atv (and many others). Have excellent videos on YouTube for wheel building.

DaveinOC · 08-13-2018, 08:58 PM

I have a maybe 20 year old steel carrier that has the angle at one end to keep the forward motion stopped. I had toyed with the idea of one of the aluminum ones as this steel thing is heavy, but now I am glad I stuck with it. I have also read reviews of the HF aluminum ones where flexing is an issue; doesn't happen with this steel behemoth.

I have carried my dirt bike or a Honda 250 Nighthawk behind my RV a lot and use a procedure like Emrikol outlined where I use one tie down to hold it in place and gently lean it against the back of the RV, then cinch both down in progression. I probably put 3,000 miles on it including carrying a 250 Nighthawk to Yellowstone and back with no incidents. My only concern is cranking down the front might sag the fork springs so I loosen it up at night (BRIGHT POST IT NOTE on the sunvisor to remember to tighten it up in the morning before traveling again.).

Kind of OT but one of the reasons I bought my TT250 was the weight. At a little over 300 pounds it's manageable to handle by myself onto the carrier and not too bad on the back of a 10,000 pound motorhome,
same reason I bought the Nighthawk (wish I'd never sold it!).

Rlara333 · 08-13-2018, 09:04 PM

Hopefully we find an inexpensive solution. There has to be something out there.

o2jmpr · 08-13-2018, 09:56 PM

Don’t blame the Harbor freight carrier. This failure was completely my fault. Even though I had no intention of ever using the pin over the front wheel I just wanted to try it to see if it would clear. The pin didn’t quite match the opposite side hole once the weight of the bike was on the carrier due to flex so I grabbed a mallet to give it a love tap and that was enough force to overcome the lean angle I had one strap. The pin definitely did its job. If I were going down the road and that happened I would have been dragging the bike behind me instead of it launching it into a trailing motorist. A bent rim would have been the least of my concerns at that point. I just purchased that carrier and it was the first time I set the Hawk on it. I was only trying it out and no intention of driving anywhere with it hence the single strap.

Azhule · 08-14-2018, 09:43 AM

I'm of no help... just here to say...

I'm happy to hear no one was injured when the bike decided it wanted down to take a nap

o2jmpr · 08-14-2018, 10:46 AM

Azhule, you softened that blow nicely. Well stated.

I'll give her a binky and baba and fix the boo boo. HA! I still need to PM you. I haven't forgotten, just busy with this baby and my real one.

08-13-2018, 05:53 PM	#19
Emerikol Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Carrollton, GA Posts: 1,465	I have a very similar carrier that came from Harbor Freight. I use it on the back of the Suburban, and will actually be using it next week to take the DR up to Vegas. First things first, it looks like there's a design difference between the carrier I have and this one. My carrier has long bolts that go from frame side to frame side. I removed two of the bolts where the front tire sits to create a 'well' for the front tire to sit in. That adds a little bit of stability to the loading process. Before I even start loading the bike, I hook up the ratchet straps and lay them out so I can easily get to them once the bike is up. From there I load the bike using the ramp, then I gently lean the handlebars against the back glass and hang the loose end of the ratchet straps in position on the bike. To tighten the straps down, I start with the inside strap (the side that's leaning up against the back glass). I tighten it down to take out the slack but not put any strain on the back glass. Then I go and tighten up the outside strap to lever the bike away from the glass. I've found that makes a really tight hold down, and I've not ever had problems doing it that way. Finally, I throw a strap across the back to lock down the back end of the bike and keep it from bouncing off the carrier. Hindsight is always 20/20, but I hope you have better luck getting the bike loaded next time. __________________ First Rule of Aviation: -Never Pass Up The Opportunity to Pee I was struggling to get my wife's attention; I sat down on the couch and looked comfortable. That did the trick! My wife says I only have two faults. I don't listen and something else... If at first you don't succeed, try doing it the way I told you to... The Stable: 2005 Yamaha V-Star 650 - SOLD 2015 Suzuki DR 650 2015 RPS Hawk 250 - SOLD 2016 Ural Gear Up
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08-13-2018, 08:58 PM	#26
DaveinOC Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 27	Carrier and Tie Down I have a maybe 20 year old steel carrier that has the angle at one end to keep the forward motion stopped. I had toyed with the idea of one of the aluminum ones as this steel thing is heavy, but now I am glad I stuck with it. I have also read reviews of the HF aluminum ones where flexing is an issue; doesn't happen with this steel behemoth. I have carried my dirt bike or a Honda 250 Nighthawk behind my RV a lot and use a procedure like Emrikol outlined where I use one tie down to hold it in place and gently lean it against the back of the RV, then cinch both down in progression. I probably put 3,000 miles on it including carrying a 250 Nighthawk to Yellowstone and back with no incidents. My only concern is cranking down the front might sag the fork springs so I loosen it up at night (BRIGHT POST IT NOTE on the sunvisor to remember to tighten it up in the morning before traveling again.). Kind of OT but one of the reasons I bought my TT250 was the weight. At a little over 300 pounds it's manageable to handle by myself onto the carrier and not too bad on the back of a 10,000 pound motorhome, same reason I bought the Nighthawk (wish I'd never sold it!). __________________ 1978 Husqvarna 250 WR 1991 Husqvarna WXE 250 2018 CSC TT250
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08-14-2018, 09:43 AM	#29
Azhule Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: CO Posts: 1,525	I'm of no help... just here to say... I'm happy to hear no one was injured when the bike decided it wanted down to take a nap __________________ "Think as you like... but this self proclaimed Professor is always right" - Buckshot "You never know what someone is hiding beneath their smile..." - NinjaTom - R.I.P.
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08-13-2018, 05:08 PM	#16
o2jmpr Join Date: May 2017 Location: Des Moines, IA Posts: 120	Can anyone confirm or deny if the spokes are all the same length?
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08-13-2018, 06:16 PM	#20
o2jmpr Join Date: May 2017 Location: Des Moines, IA Posts: 120	My fault guys. I should have worded my spoke question differently. It’s confirmed the CSC spokes work but I was specifically asking if the spokes were all the same length from the same set, meaning when I go relace the new rim do I need to pay super close attention to which spoke came from which hole ?
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08-13-2018, 06:20 PM	#21
Mudflap Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 1,870	All spokes will be the same length but there will be 2 types, 18 inner and 18 outer.
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08-13-2018, 07:22 PM	#22
o2jmpr Join Date: May 2017 Location: Des Moines, IA Posts: 120	Yikes. This is getting frustrating. It looks like the TT250 is using a 1.421 rim width. I hate to keep beating this dead horse but is that gonna be a problem? I don’t know enough about the subject of wheels, but I’m willing to learn!
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08-13-2018, 08:33 PM	#24
roundhouse Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: N Texas Posts: 706	Man that sucks. I ended up just getting the whole wheel from RPS of course it is not true but other than that it is good. lacing a wheel just seems beyond my patience. If you can then I would get spokes and a rim.
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08-13-2018, 09:04 PM	#27
Rlara333 Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: South Florida Posts: 36	Hopefully we find an inexpensive solution. There has to be something out there.
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08-13-2018, 09:56 PM	#28
o2jmpr Join Date: May 2017 Location: Des Moines, IA Posts: 120	Don’t blame the Harbor freight carrier. This failure was completely my fault. Even though I had no intention of ever using the pin over the front wheel I just wanted to try it to see if it would clear. The pin didn’t quite match the opposite side hole once the weight of the bike was on the carrier due to flex so I grabbed a mallet to give it a love tap and that was enough force to overcome the lean angle I had one strap. The pin definitely did its job. If I were going down the road and that happened I would have been dragging the bike behind me instead of it launching it into a trailing motorist. A bent rim would have been the least of my concerns at that point. I just purchased that carrier and it was the first time I set the Hawk on it. I was only trying it out and no intention of driving anywhere with it hence the single strap.
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08-14-2018, 10:46 AM	#30
o2jmpr Join Date: May 2017 Location: Des Moines, IA Posts: 120	Azhule, you softened that blow nicely. Well stated. I'll give her a binky and baba and fix the boo boo. HA! I still need to PM you. I haven't forgotten, just busy with this baby and my real one.
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