Trail Master TM 38EX EFI

**JerryHawk250** · 12-14-2023, 11:25 AM

Okay, so all this talk about the Trail Master TM 38EX EFI has peeked my interest. So the TM 38EX EFI will come with everything you need to technically register and tag as a street legal bike in most states just like I did with the Hawk. A 31 HP, 6 speed bike sounds good to me.

The only problem I have seen is that most of the dealers that sell them aren't the most trust worthy dealers. I know I wouldn't buy from them. I got to be good friends with the guys at Venom Motorsports over the years. They have been awesome at taking care of people if they have had any issues and they have made it a point to take extra care of members here. I want to get the TM 38EX but not from the clowns that are selling them. I contacted one of the guys at Venom to see if they would be selling these bikes. They didn't know it existed and really like the bike. So, just a heads up, They plan on getting a few in January to see how they sell. I guess I'll be buying me one. I'm thinking this will be like the KPX on steroids. lol Who else wants one?

buzz · 12-14-2023, 05:23 PM

I want one,

Dabby40 · 12-14-2023, 05:51 PM

I've been looking into them. Will definitely follow this post if you follow it up. Good luck man!

Dusman · 12-15-2023, 07:50 AM

This is definitely the type of bike I'm always interested in. 300cc, EFI, 31 HP and 6 speed. Awesome combo of power, off-road capability, and flickability. I've been looking at these, but haven't considered a purchase because of the current sellers being horrible from what I understand from others.

**JerryHawk250** · 12-15-2023, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dusman

This is definitely the type of bike I'm always interested in. 300cc, EFI, 31 HP and 6 speed. Awesome combo of power, off-road capability, and flickability. I've been looking at these, but haven't considered a purchase because of the current sellers being horrible from what I understand from others.

Same here. To nice of a bike to be only sold through crappy dealers. That's why I contacted Venom to see if they would sell them. I'm sure there are some mom and pop shops that have good service. None nowhere near me.

Thumper · 12-15-2023, 09:52 AM

FamilyGoKarts or Motobuys might also offer them.

Personally, I prefer a carburetor. I want to avoid the nightmare troubleshooting with no support. I'd rather have control over air/fuel mixing and a carb is easy to tune. EFI runs too lean for me.

I have been lookin' at the carbed TM38, but really wanted a KAMAX 250MT. It's a Chinese 2 stroke built on a Yamaha 230cc power valve engine clone. I just couldn't convince myself to order one directly from the factory. You can't count on the shippers.

But I finally found a 2 stroke... a nice deal/closeout on a leftover 2020 KTM 250sx with a liquid cooled 249cc engine.

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The bike weighs under 220 pounds.

It has Brembo hydraulics (including the clutch), braided stainless lines, 4 piston front, and 2 piston rear calipers (Brembo), Takasago wheels shod with Dunlop Geomax tires, an x-ring 520 chain, massive ultralight pneumatic forks with over 12" of travel, linkage rear suspension with long travel. It came with spare jets, a spare needle with different taper, 2 alternative power valve springs, an air pump for the front forks, complete printed manual book, and a stand!

It cost me a little more than the TM38 (but more than a $3000 discount below original MSRP). That's a long list of high end components, and the center of gravity on this bike is a few inches lower... no cam, no valves. It is a monster

I added this to my signature a couple of days ago- just one line, so no one noticed

ring ning ning ning... ring ning ning ning

**JerryHawk250** · 12-15-2023, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Thumper

FamilyGoKarts or Motobuys might also offer them.

Personally, I prefer a carburetor. I want to avoid the nightmare troubleshooting with no support that we see here from our members, including the KPX and Hawk DLX. An more importantly, I want full control over air/fuel mixing.

I have been considering the carbed TM38 for some time, but my real dream was to get the KAMAX 250MT, which is a 2 stroke built on a Yamaha 230cc power valve engine clone. I just couldn't convince myself to order one directly from the factory. I trust shippers even LESS than I trust EFI!

So I finally found something truly right for me... a remarkable deal on a N.O.S. (new old stock) closeout on a new 2020 KTM 250sx with a liquid cooled 249cc engine.

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This bike actually weighs under 220 pounds and makes 50hp. It also has brembo hydraulics (including the clutch!) with braided stainless lines, 4 piston front, and 2 piston rear calipers (Brembo), Takasago wheels shod with Dunlop Geomax tires, an x-ring 520 chain, massive ultralight adjustable pneumatic forks with over 12" of travel, linkage rear suspension with similar long travel. It came with spare jets (5 pilot, 4 main), a spare needle with different taper (5 clip positions), TWO alternate power valve springs, a pump for the front forks, complete printed manual book, and a stand!

It cost me a little more than the TM38, but that's a long list of high end components, and the center of gravity on this bike is a few inches lower... no cam, no valves!

I added this to my signature a couple of days ago, but no one noticed

ring ning ning ning

Yeah, there's nothing like the power of a 2 stroke.

Thumper · 12-15-2023, 10:50 AM

It was a fluke stumbling into the 250sx, and I just couldn't let it slip away. Before I saw it, I wasn't planning on getting a bike just yet. It is a bit excessive, but I got full support from my wife, so full steam ahead

I would have eventually gotten the TM38. It is a great bike. I am absolutely sure youo will love it!

I really love that 298cc liquid cooled ZS NC300. I will never be able to create that power band on my "old" ZS172FMM-3A (original Templar!). But it is still a great bike. I will port the head and upgrade to 265cc (parts in hand), maybe do something about the exhaust. I've already got the variable ignition advance CDI unit.

Maybe I can close in on 25hp lol

**JerryHawk250** · 12-15-2023, 03:31 PM

And this is why you don't order your bike assembled from some of those other dealers. Good enough video to get the general idea how it goes together but i wouldn't trust my life on that bike assembly job.

Thumper · 12-15-2023, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

And this is why you don't order your bike assembled from some of those other dealers. Good enough video to get the general idea how it goes together but i wouldn't trust my life on that bike assembly job.

EXACTLY! Give me the sealed crate with NO DAMAGE, PLEASE!!!
I took a couple of DAYS to assemble my crate bikes. No hurry

12-14-2023, 11:25 AM	#1
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,552	Trail Master TM 38EX EFI Okay, so all this talk about the Trail Master TM 38EX EFI has peeked my interest. So the TM 38EX EFI will come with everything you need to technically register and tag as a street legal bike in most states just like I did with the Hawk. A 31 HP, 6 speed bike sounds good to me. The only problem I have seen is that most of the dealers that sell them aren't the most trust worthy dealers. I know I wouldn't buy from them. I got to be good friends with the guys at Venom Motorsports over the years. They have been awesome at taking care of people if they have had any issues and they have made it a point to take extra care of members here. I want to get the TM 38EX but not from the clowns that are selling them. I contacted one of the guys at Venom to see if they would be selling these bikes. They didn't know it existed and really like the bike. So, just a heads up, They plan on getting a few in January to see how they sell. I guess I'll be buying me one. I'm thinking this will be like the KPX on steroids. lol Who else wants one? __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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12-14-2023, 05:51 PM	#3
Dabby40 Join Date: Nov 2023 Posts: 32	I've been looking into them. Will definitely follow this post if you follow it up. Good luck man! __________________ 1984 Honda Magna V30 Custom bobber, rigid shocks 2014 Bashan Storm 250 Pod filter, Denso 4099, Rotella T4 15w-40 2021 Vitacci Bullet 85/33 jets, 5g roller weights, 80cc big bore
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12-15-2023, 09:52 AM	#6
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,237	FamilyGoKarts or Motobuys might also offer them. Personally, I prefer a carburetor. I want to avoid the nightmare troubleshooting with no support. I'd rather have control over air/fuel mixing and a carb is easy to tune. EFI runs too lean for me. I have been lookin' at the carbed TM38, but really wanted a KAMAX 250MT. It's a Chinese 2 stroke built on a Yamaha 230cc power valve engine clone. I just couldn't convince myself to order one directly from the factory. You can't count on the shippers. But I finally found a 2 stroke... a nice deal/closeout on a leftover 2020 KTM 250sx with a liquid cooled 249cc engine. The bike weighs under 220 pounds. It has Brembo hydraulics (including the clutch), braided stainless lines, 4 piston front, and 2 piston rear calipers (Brembo), Takasago wheels shod with Dunlop Geomax tires, an x-ring 520 chain, massive ultralight pneumatic forks with over 12" of travel, linkage rear suspension with long travel. It came with spare jets, a spare needle with different taper, 2 alternative power valve springs, an air pump for the front forks, complete printed manual book, and a stand! It cost me a little more than the TM38 (but more than a $3000 discount below original MSRP). That's a long list of high end components, and the center of gravity on this bike is a few inches lower... no cam, no valves. It is a monster I added this to my signature a couple of days ago- just one line, so no one noticed ring ning ning ning... ring ning ning ning __________________ -2022 5 speed Templar X Orange, OEM 51T rear sprocket, 14T front sprocket -NOS 2020 KTM 250SX (2-stroke motocross), less than 10 hours on it Last edited by Thumper; 12-15-2023 at 05:46 PM.
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12-15-2023, 10:50 AM	#8
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,237	It was a fluke stumbling into the 250sx, and I just couldn't let it slip away. Before I saw it, I wasn't planning on getting a bike just yet. It is a bit excessive, but I got full support from my wife, so full steam ahead I would have eventually gotten the TM38. It is a great bike. I am absolutely sure youo will love it! I really love that 298cc liquid cooled ZS NC300. I will never be able to create that power band on my "old" ZS172FMM-3A (original Templar!). But it is still a great bike. I will port the head and upgrade to 265cc (parts in hand), maybe do something about the exhaust. I've already got the variable ignition advance CDI unit. Maybe I can close in on 25hp lol __________________ -2022 5 speed Templar X Orange, OEM 51T rear sprocket, 14T front sprocket -NOS 2020 KTM 250SX (2-stroke motocross), less than 10 hours on it
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12-15-2023, 03:31 PM	#9
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,552	And this is why you don't order your bike assembled from some of those other dealers. Good enough video to get the general idea how it goes together but i wouldn't trust my life on that bike assembly job. __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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12-14-2023, 05:23 PM	#2
buzz Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Dayton Pa. Posts: 857	I want one,
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12-15-2023, 07:50 AM	#4
Dusman Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: NC Posts: 202	This is definitely the type of bike I'm always interested in. 300cc, EFI, 31 HP and 6 speed. Awesome combo of power, off-road capability, and flickability. I've been looking at these, but haven't considered a purchase because of the current sellers being horrible from what I understand from others.
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