Are fuel-injected RPS Magician and Hawk a real thing?

DualSport · 09-09-2018, 07:43 PM

I seen Motocheez is suppose to be getting a fuel-injected RPS Hawk from a North American importer. Anyone know where you can actually buy one? I'd love to have one for winter and the mountains..

Azhule · 09-09-2018, 07:52 PM

Must be nice to have a youtube channel and get free crap from shady drop shippers out of Texas (everyone should know where I'm headed with this by now)

RedCrowRides · 09-09-2018, 08:43 PM

Lol @ Azhule

kirbo7106 · 09-09-2018, 09:35 PM

EFI sounds like a great addition to the Hawk, but at what cost? An additional $300, maybe even $500 would be acceptable, but If I remember correctly, it’s going to be an additional $1,000-1,500. You could have 2 “regular” Hawks for that cost!

Hopefully, add-on fuel injection systems will come down in cost and be easier to set up and adjust.

DualSport · 09-10-2018, 02:37 AM

You could argue that you'd have to be desperate or carelessly experimental to not just go get a $1,200-$1,800 used japanese dual sport off craigslist(XL or DR or KLR or even XR-L ride-ready pop up around this most states every couple months) instead. But I'd actually drop <$2,500 on china EFI just to not have to rebuild a carb every time jets need cleaned or it's cold or sea level changes.. This sucks if you need zero-downtime commute on top of the other issues with china dual sports even if you respect the analog fix-anywhere nature of a manual-choke carburetor..

People give free stuff to whoever pulls in more sales. It use to be spammers and shops and now it's personality cults with big subscriber bases of sociopath vain people on "vlog" sites.. Have you ever looked at the top subscribed channels on YouTube? Yikes.. Some of the worse people glutton culture has ever produced.. People don't even deny or try to hide it on camera anymore...

Digger · 09-10-2018, 08:49 AM

For me... fuel injection is just a pain in butt. You can fix a slide valve carb with a Phillips screwdriver, a safety pin and a small rock. I believe this to be true for snowmobiles, ATVs and motorcycles. I think the 2 basic principles for engineering have been forgotten.

1. Lighten and simplify
2. Parts left out cost nothing and never cause service problems.
Just my .02

Gh426 · 09-10-2018, 09:16 PM

Or upon a Solar Flare / EMP be able to run a non ecu'd vechile from point A to food, shelter SAFETY and NOT have a satellite / Russky hacker track your efi brain box. Plus most carb bikes will store well with Sta-bil, turn off fuel petcock and run bike 6 minutes til all fuel burns out of carb, preventing varnish in said carb, good time to check chain, sprockets, bolts etc, apply your tin foil hat etc... (that last bit is a JOKE)

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Digger · 09-10-2018, 09:59 PM

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ben2go · 09-11-2018, 01:08 PM

I've had no problems at all with my Honda CB500X and it's EFI. It is Japanese though and Honda quality. This bike has convinced me that EFI on Jap bikes is ok. I also get seriously good fuel mileage, 68 to 72mpg while hammering on it. That's 300 miles out of a 4.5-gallon tank if I run into the reserve.

culcune · 09-11-2018, 11:08 PM

I spoke to someone at RPS months ago, and he told me the new Hawks will be fuel-injected. They are not in the US as of yet, or we would have heard of them. I will try to read through the EPA certification lists to see if it shows a new FI Hawk/Magician.

ChrisWNY · 09-12-2018, 08:46 AM

On a Japanese bike, I'd definitely prefer EFI. On a China bike, no way. Would be a nightmare to fix if something went wrong with it and the price point looks to be somewhere in the $3000 range for an EFI Hawk/Magician. The price/performance gains, in addition to the more complex maintenance issues that can arise, just aren't worth it IMO.

imapdog · 09-12-2018, 08:49 AM

http://www.chinariders.net/showthrea...ight=2018+HAWK

Essayons · 09-12-2018, 11:56 AM

i wonder if CSC will head that way too?

ben2go · 09-12-2018, 05:47 PM

If the Chinese FI turns out to be good and/or gooberment make them for emissions.

RedCrowRides · 09-12-2018, 06:54 PM

I might go $300 for a working, reliable EFI setup for my Vader , but seeing how I can buy an entire stock repl engine for that and even if there was a HP gain to be had, what would it be? I doubt there is even 1/2 hp over a carb, if that to be had ,I've run vehicles for literally years ( if not decades) after the carb was initially dialed in , and never had to touch it again other than changing the air filter sitting on top of it. I can usually fix a balky carb on the side of the road, but if an EFI box goes out, there you will sit. There is a reason engines are kept anvil simple in developing countries ,and it's a good one.

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DualSport Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 173	Are fuel-injected RPS Magician and Hawk a real thing? I seen Motocheez is suppose to be getting a fuel-injected RPS Hawk from a North American importer. Anyone know where you can actually buy one? I'd love to have one for winter and the mountains..
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kirbo7106 Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Holiday, Florida Posts: 672	EFI sounds like a great addition to the Hawk, but at what cost? An additional $300, maybe even $500 would be acceptable, but If I remember correctly, it’s going to be an additional $1,000-1,500. You could have 2 “regular” Hawks for that cost! Hopefully, add-on fuel injection systems will come down in cost and be easier to set up and adjust. __________________ Dan-O -2018 Tao Tao HellCat - DOA -2016 Hawk 250 - Kitty Hawk - eBay exhaust, Mikuni carb(120 main/30 Pilot), airbox mod with K&N filter, digital cluster, total LEDs, 17/45 sprockets, RK chain, Shinko 244 tires, trunk, aftermarket levers, burrito tube, skid plate, Sargent Cycle Seat... -2003 HD Sportster 100th Anniversary -1999 Buell X-1 Lightning - Race kit, Buell Seat Last edited by kirbo7106; 09-09-2018 at 09:37 PM. Reason: Needed to add a sentence.
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Gh426 Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: LA Posts: 74	carb plz Or upon a Solar Flare / EMP be able to run a non ecu'd vechile from point A to food, shelter SAFETY and NOT have a satellite / Russky hacker track your efi brain box. Plus most carb bikes will store well with Sta-bil, turn off fuel petcock and run bike 6 minutes til all fuel burns out of carb, preventing varnish in said carb, good time to check chain, sprockets, bolts etc, apply your tin foil hat etc... (that last bit is a JOKE) gh Last edited by Gh426; 09-11-2018 at 02:52 AM.
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09-10-2018, 02:37 AM	#5
DualSport Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 173	You could argue that you'd have to be desperate or carelessly experimental to not just go get a $1,200-$1,800 used japanese dual sport off craigslist(XL or DR or KLR or even XR-L ride-ready pop up around this most states every couple months) instead. But I'd actually drop <$2,500 on china EFI just to not have to rebuild a carb every time jets need cleaned or it's cold or sea level changes.. This sucks if you need zero-downtime commute on top of the other issues with china dual sports even if you respect the analog fix-anywhere nature of a manual-choke carburetor.. People give free stuff to whoever pulls in more sales. It use to be spammers and shops and now it's personality cults with big subscriber bases of sociopath vain people on "vlog" sites.. Have you ever looked at the top subscribed channels on YouTube? Yikes.. Some of the worse people glutton culture has ever produced.. People don't even deny or try to hide it on camera anymore...
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09-10-2018, 08:49 AM	#6
Digger Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 64	For me... fuel injection is just a pain in butt. You can fix a slide valve carb with a Phillips screwdriver, a safety pin and a small rock. I believe this to be true for snowmobiles, ATVs and motorcycles. I think the 2 basic principles for engineering have been forgotten. 1. Lighten and simplify 2. Parts left out cost nothing and never cause service problems. Just my .02
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Digger Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 64	��
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09-11-2018, 01:08 PM	#9
ben2go Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,335	I've had no problems at all with my Honda CB500X and it's EFI. It is Japanese though and Honda quality. This bike has convinced me that EFI on Jap bikes is ok. I also get seriously good fuel mileage, 68 to 72mpg while hammering on it. That's 300 miles out of a 4.5-gallon tank if I run into the reserve.
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09-11-2018, 11:08 PM	#10
culcune Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 9,035	I spoke to someone at RPS months ago, and he told me the new Hawks will be fuel-injected. They are not in the US as of yet, or we would have heard of them. I will try to read through the EPA certification lists to see if it shows a new FI Hawk/Magician. __________________ "They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well..." TGB Delivery Scooter 150 TMEC 200 Enduro--carcass is sadly rotting in the backyard
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09-12-2018, 08:46 AM	#11
ChrisWNY Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 212	On a Japanese bike, I'd definitely prefer EFI. On a China bike, no way. Would be a nightmare to fix if something went wrong with it and the price point looks to be somewhere in the $3000 range for an EFI Hawk/Magician. The price/performance gains, in addition to the more complex maintenance issues that can arise, just aren't worth it IMO. __________________ 2018 RPS Hawk 250cc Mods so far: 1. Mikuni VM26 Carburetor w/#115 main jet 2. 17T/45T JT sprockets 3. JT 428 X-ring chain 4. Air box mod 5. Hawk Digital Cluster 6. Aftermarket IMS shift lever 7. Performance Aftermarket Exhaust 8. 295mm Nitrogen Gas Monoshock, 20W oil front forks Last edited by ChrisWNY; 09-12-2018 at 02:25 PM.
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imapdog Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: nashville Posts: 574	http://www.chinariders.net/showthrea...ight=2018+HAWK
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Essayons Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: fontana, california Posts: 333	i wonder if CSC will head that way too? __________________ 2018 TT 250 2016 RX3 1979 CB750K
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ben2go Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,335	If the Chinese FI turns out to be good and/or gooberment make them for emissions.
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09-12-2018, 06:54 PM	#15
RedCrowRides Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Florida Posts: 759	I might go $300 for a working, reliable EFI setup for my Vader , but seeing how I can buy an entire stock repl engine for that and even if there was a HP gain to be had, what would it be? I doubt there is even 1/2 hp over a carb, if that to be had ,I've run vehicles for literally years ( if not decades) after the carb was initially dialed in , and never had to touch it again other than changing the air filter sitting on top of it. I can usually fix a balky carb on the side of the road, but if an EFI box goes out, there you will sit. There is a reason engines are kept anvil simple in developing countries ,and it's a good one. __________________ 2001 Mustang GT 2004 Sportster 2018 VADER 2020 Orion RXB250L
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