GIO X31 - Page 8

450-WheelieBoyz · 10-02-2012, 04:09 PM

when i almost had it idling just right, it would idle properly for maybe 5 seconds then it would rev up a bit on the 6st second. i asumed it was still idling a bit low....

so your saying my carb cant be too tight on the flange or it will leak...

FastDoc · 10-02-2012, 04:25 PM

It can but more specifically it can distort the roundness or the carb body and make the slide stick.

450-WheelieBoyz · 10-02-2012, 05:40 PM

the gio couldnt stay at idle by itself. i was feeding it a bit of gas to keep it alive and to warm it up. i took it for a small ride down to block nice a easy the bike was running amazing, more torque, more low end and high end power, no lag or bogging at low or high rpm's and it sounds much better . i just had a hard time to get it to idle right .

i dont hink there is a leak, Fastdoc your putting dout in my mind ! if there was a leak it would not have ran well or at all, let alone better than before right!?

i guess more tuning is required. "Almost there" as Weld put it

FastDoc · 10-02-2012, 07:50 PM

The typical symptom of an air leak is a 'hanging idle'.

The bike 'revs down' poorly and very slowly if at all when the throttle is twisted. Under power it will seem to ride normally.

The problem is that if it is an air leak, and it may not be, it creates a lean condition that may seriously harm the motor. Also if there is an air leak the air going right to the cylinder is unfiltered.

Weldangrind · 10-03-2012, 01:22 AM

What happens if you simply turn the idle up a little?

450-WheelieBoyz · 10-04-2012, 10:16 AM

when i was adjusting the idle i was almost screwed in completly.....
i wasnt sure if i should touch the pilot screw...or .... put the needle jet down one notch and readjust the idle in consequence

i called two bikes shops that said quite rudely said they dont work on chinesse bike even if im asking if they can tune my japanesse carb.....

a friend of mine is a used auto salesman, that business employs three or four full time mechanics. one of the mechanics came by the house to buy an Subaru wrx engine from my friend, so i showed him my dirtbike and asked if he felt comfortable working on it, he said we could try but he didnt seem as confident as i would have liked :?

i think im going to give it one last try on my own before i incur anymore costs for this project.

any reading material or videos would be really really apriciated, thanks

Weldangrind · 10-04-2012, 11:05 AM

The pilot screw controls the transition from idle to main, so it won't affect idle.

The needle clip comes into effect at about half throttle, so it won't affect idle either.

The idle screw is simply lifting the slider, so you would be accomplishing the same thing by opening the throttle slightly.

I think you either have something stuck in the slow jet or in the passage that it screws into. I can't think of a video that explains any of this.

450-WheelieBoyz · 10-05-2012, 10:26 AM

im preparing myself mentally to git-ur-dunn tomorrow.
thanks for the tips Weld. i think ill be able to get her up and running tmrw
i feel much more confident now that ive done more research.
i printed out the tuning and assembly guide from the Mikuni america website which was very helpful.

my goal is take two videos tmrw, one of the gio sitting at idle and another me ripping it up the block

Weldangrind · 10-05-2012, 11:07 AM

Good attitude! 8) I hope it's a simple fix for you.

450-WheelieBoyz · 10-09-2012, 12:58 PM

i was able to go for a nice ride this thanksgiving weekend so im prety much ready to put the Gio away for the winter.

im going to get a few goodies for the bike over the holidays and bring it to my local bike shop to tune the carb and adjust everything in the spring.

i want this guys throttle assembly!!! what is it????and where can i buy it.
this guy did a great job of cleaning up his china bike!

the only thing i find funny is that its a Honda-clone made to look like a Yamaha.... lol

450-WheelieBoyz · 11-27-2012, 04:07 PM

friday night after returning from the Pub, i took the Gio out for a ghost ride around the block, cops came shortly afterwards :P.... sunday i officially put the Gio away for winter!

cheers, see you guys next year!

FastDoc · 11-27-2012, 04:26 PM

Godspeed but remember you don't have to be actively riding to hang out in the garage with us shop bums. :wink:

450-WheelieBoyz · 12-03-2012, 10:13 AM

true....but here in canada during the winter, we tend to go into hibernation while it gets too cold

thats why i wont be around too much lol

thanks again for all the help boys!

lilscrappy · 12-11-2012, 03:06 AM

ahm.. hi!!!! 450-WheelieBoyz
ahm can i ask you a question..
ahm.. the picture that you have ost
what is thos????

450-WheelieBoyz · 12-17-2012, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lilscrappy

ahm.. hi!!!! 450-WheelieBoyz
ahm can i ask you a question..
ahm.. the picture that you have ost
what is thos????

I dont understand your question lilscrappy....
Whats the picture that i posted??????????????
be more specific and im sure i can help

10-02-2012, 04:25 PM	#107
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	It can but more specifically it can distort the roundness or the carb body and make the slide stick. __________________ Happy to serve.
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10-02-2012, 07:50 PM	#109
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	The typical symptom of an air leak is a 'hanging idle'. The bike 'revs down' poorly and very slowly if at all when the throttle is twisted. Under power it will seem to ride normally. The problem is that if it is an air leak, and it may not be, it creates a lean condition that may seriously harm the motor. Also if there is an air leak the air going right to the cylinder is unfiltered. __________________ Happy to serve.
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10-03-2012, 01:22 AM	#110
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	What happens if you simply turn the idle up a little? __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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10-04-2012, 10:16 AM	#111
450-WheelieBoyz Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: THE HOOD Posts: 162	when i was adjusting the idle i was almost screwed in completly..... i wasnt sure if i should touch the pilot screw...or .... put the needle jet down one notch and readjust the idle in consequence i called two bikes shops that said quite rudely said they dont work on chinesse bike even if im asking if they can tune my japanesse carb..... a friend of mine is a used auto salesman, that business employs three or four full time mechanics. one of the mechanics came by the house to buy an Subaru wrx engine from my friend, so i showed him my dirtbike and asked if he felt comfortable working on it, he said we could try but he didnt seem as confident as i would have liked :? i think im going to give it one last try on my own before i incur anymore costs for this project. any reading material or videos would be really really apriciated, thanks __________________ 450-WheelieBoyz a.k.a. BlockHustler1000 -2011 X31 Gio 250cc- Mikuni Upgrade Air filter Hydro-clutch Reppin -> Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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10-04-2012, 11:05 AM	#112
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	The pilot screw controls the transition from idle to main, so it won't affect idle. The needle clip comes into effect at about half throttle, so it won't affect idle either. The idle screw is simply lifting the slider, so you would be accomplishing the same thing by opening the throttle slightly. I think you either have something stuck in the slow jet or in the passage that it screws into. I can't think of a video that explains any of this. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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10-02-2012, 04:09 PM	#106
450-WheelieBoyz Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: THE HOOD Posts: 162	when i almost had it idling just right, it would idle properly for maybe 5 seconds then it would rev up a bit on the 6st second. i asumed it was still idling a bit low.... so your saying my carb cant be too tight on the flange or it will leak...
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10-02-2012, 05:40 PM	#108
450-WheelieBoyz Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: THE HOOD Posts: 162	the gio couldnt stay at idle by itself. i was feeding it a bit of gas to keep it alive and to warm it up. i took it for a small ride down to block nice a easy the bike was running amazing, more torque, more low end and high end power, no lag or bogging at low or high rpm's and it sounds much better . i just had a hard time to get it to idle right . i dont hink there is a leak, Fastdoc your putting dout in my mind ! if there was a leak it would not have ran well or at all, let alone better than before right!? i guess more tuning is required. "Almost there" as Weld put it
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10-05-2012, 10:26 AM	#113
450-WheelieBoyz Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: THE HOOD Posts: 162	im preparing myself mentally to git-ur-dunn tomorrow. thanks for the tips Weld. i think ill be able to get her up and running tmrw i feel much more confident now that ive done more research. i printed out the tuning and assembly guide from the Mikuni america website which was very helpful. my goal is take two videos tmrw, one of the gio sitting at idle and another me ripping it up the block __________________ 450-WheelieBoyz a.k.a. BlockHustler1000 -2011 X31 Gio 250cc- Mikuni Upgrade Air filter Hydro-clutch Reppin -> Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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10-05-2012, 11:07 AM	#114
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Good attitude! 8) I hope it's a simple fix for you. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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10-09-2012, 12:58 PM	#115
450-WheelieBoyz Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: THE HOOD Posts: 162	i was able to go for a nice ride this thanksgiving weekend so im prety much ready to put the Gio away for the winter. im going to get a few goodies for the bike over the holidays and bring it to my local bike shop to tune the carb and adjust everything in the spring. i want this guys throttle assembly!!! what is it????and where can i buy it. this guy did a great job of cleaning up his china bike! the only thing i find funny is that its a Honda-clone made to look like a Yamaha.... lol __________________ 450-WheelieBoyz a.k.a. BlockHustler1000 -2011 X31 Gio 250cc- Mikuni Upgrade Air filter Hydro-clutch Reppin -> Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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11-27-2012, 04:07 PM	#116
450-WheelieBoyz Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: THE HOOD Posts: 162	friday night after returning from the Pub, i took the Gio out for a ghost ride around the block, cops came shortly afterwards :P.... sunday i officially put the Gio away for winter! cheers, see you guys next year! __________________ 450-WheelieBoyz a.k.a. BlockHustler1000 -2011 X31 Gio 250cc- Mikuni Upgrade Air filter Hydro-clutch Reppin -> Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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11-27-2012, 04:26 PM	#117
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	Godspeed but remember you don't have to be actively riding to hang out in the garage with us shop bums. :wink: __________________ Happy to serve.
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12-03-2012, 10:13 AM	#118
450-WheelieBoyz Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: THE HOOD Posts: 162	true....but here in canada during the winter, we tend to go into hibernation while it gets too cold thats why i wont be around too much lol thanks again for all the help boys! __________________ 450-WheelieBoyz a.k.a. BlockHustler1000 -2011 X31 Gio 250cc- Mikuni Upgrade Air filter Hydro-clutch Reppin -> Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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12-11-2012, 03:06 AM	#119
lilscrappy Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1	ahm.. hi!!!! 450-WheelieBoyz ahm can i ask you a question.. ahm.. the picture that you have ost what is thos????
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