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SpudRider · 07-17-2015, 02:07 AM

Mine RX3 stalled on me today as I coasted to a stop light in 3rd gear. When I tapped the starter button, the engine started immediately, and the bike didn't stall again for the rest of the ride. It has been weeks since the last time the engine stalled in this manner. I think it's normal for some bikes with EFI to exhibit this phenomenon. However, when I follow my usual practice, and downshift all the way to first gear as I decelerate, my engine never stalls.

SpudRider · 07-18-2015, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by fishman10

...on a side note my oil level appears to be rising again ,,,and this is while bike is on the centerstand and using csc new method of checking.

You say the oil level is rising.

Perhaps you have added too much engine oil, and this is contributing to the bike stalling at low rpms?

If you have time, read the following thread regarding the RX3 lubrication system, and how to check the oil level.

http://www.chinariders.net/showthrea...895#post188895

fishman10 · 07-19-2015, 09:55 AM

i will monitor the oil ,,not gonna get excited unless it totally covers the sight window .....put in exactly 1.7 quarts after draining an cleaning screens, as per your recommendation ,spud ...as for the stalling ,,guess im gona have to live with it,.

fishman10 · 10-17-2015, 11:30 AM

well ,ive kept pretty silent for awhile,,trying different stuff that csc has told me to try without success> MY rx3 is still stalling everyday,,an NO my valves are NOT tight,,,,,an it seems csc has given up ,,as they quit responding after i told them it wqs still doing it.I requested they send me a new ecm ,,just to try it ,,an i would send it back ,if it did not fix it,,,also was wondering if the clutch safety switch could have a defect causing this,,as the stalling always occurs when im coming to a stop ,pulling in the clutch...The other day it stalled in heavy traffic,,almost got me killed.I love the bike ,,but cant take it anymore. If i had a wish ,,i wish i coukld return it,for another ,,or just credit me an i will put it towards a 450 when they come out..I really want to be part of the program to show it to prospective buyers an help them prosper an sell more bikes,,But i cant have some one look at it and lie to them ,,,Im bummmed.

SpudRider · 10-17-2015, 12:31 PM

Your bike is still under warranty for parts and labor, Fish. You could have CSC send you the Motor Scan to diagnose the ECU, or you could take the bike to a shop. I'm sure the problem can be resolved.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but every time my bike stalls like this, I discover the valves are tight. I will be adjusting the valves again this morning. I need to adjust the valves about every 2,500 miles, just as Zongshen recommends.

Weldangrind · 10-17-2015, 12:55 PM

Fish, if it was the clutch switch, I'm guessing it would be repeatable. In other words, you should be able to make the bike stall while sitting in neutral, and just pulling and releasing the clutch. If that won't make it stall, I don't suspect the clutch switch.

If you were riding an older China bike, I'd say the CDI is on the way out. Have you tried a new one?

fishman10 · 10-17-2015, 12:58 PM

only 800 miles since valve adjust,,i can here them now slightly ticking ,since the adjust ,, an as i have stated ,,i have requested from csc an they were helpful for awhile,,,but i guess they got tired of me ,,cause they have stopped responding.

fishman10 · 10-17-2015, 12:59 PM

weld ,,,i do have a new one ,,i ordered off taebo,,,, good idea i will try it.

SpudRider · 10-17-2015, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind

Fish, if it was the clutch switch, I'm guessing it would be repeatable. In other words, you should be able to make the bike stall while sitting in neutral, and just pulling and releasing the clutch. If that won't make it stall, I don't suspect the clutch switch.

If you were riding an older China bike, I'd say the CDI is on the way out. Have you tried a new one?

I don't think the RX3 has a clutch safety switch. Also, I believe the EFI bikes don't have a CDI unit. I think only the bikes with carburetors have a CDI unit.

fishman10 · 10-17-2015, 08:56 PM

There are two wires on the clutch perch assembly,They seem to only affect the starting in gear with the clutch pulled in ,im just grasping at anything electrical. CSC must have seen the post,,as they called an are sending the scan tool for me to use an hopefully find the problem.Also they are sending a complete throttle body with sensors to try.This could be it as mine sometimes requires 2 or 3 attempts to get it fired as it stalls quickly at start up and it does not go into that fast idle that should occur at cold start up..So once again csc is standing by their product an help solve the issue,,So a big thanks to csc,,!!! also i will send the old parts back for testing.

SpudRider · 10-17-2015, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fishman10

There are two wires on the clutch perch assembly,They seem to only affect the starting in gear with the clutch pulled in ,im just grasping at anything electrical...

You're right. I seem to remember removing the two wires when I worked on the clutch lever.

I was fooled because I tried starting the bike with the clutch disengaged, and the bike started. However, I was in neutral at the time.

My Honda CRF250X won't start in neutral if the clutch is disengaged.

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Originally Posted by fishman10

...CSC must have seen the post,,as they called an are sending the scan tool for me to use an hopefully find the problem.Also they are sending a complete throttle body with sensors to try.This could be it as mine sometimes requires 2 or 3 attempts to get it fired as it stalls quickly at start up and it does not go into that fast idle that should occur at cold start up..So once again csc is standing by their product an help solve the issue,,So a big thanks to csc,,!!! also i will send the old parts back for testing.

I knew CSC would take care of you.

The customer service and warranty coverage from CSC are absolutely superb.

Weldangrind · 10-18-2015, 11:53 AM

I hope that the new parts solve it for you, Fish. Please let us know what happens.

fishman10 · 11-22-2015, 02:41 PM

Csc sent me every sensor , and a Ecm Throttle body , oxygen sensor , coil. And plug wire , ,, so I installed everything an took the bike for 100 mile ride . Sad to say it still stalls to be honest it stalled 16 times that day. So I did a compression check ( with a brand new harbor freight tool). And bike has 40 lbs less than. Csc specs. So not sure what's wrong , Now. For the good news csc is going to pick my bike up an fix it or put new engine in. "Whatever it takes". According to Steve an Jerry , So this had got to be the best customer service ever ! And it's winter here so don't ride as much anyhow!

SpudRider · 11-22-2015, 02:46 PM

Thanks for posting the update, Fish. Indeed, I have never heard of better customer service from any motorcycle dealer, or manufacturer, for that matter.

Kudos to CSC.

Lee R · 11-22-2015, 02:50 PM

Glad CSC is taking care of it. That kind of customer service sells bikes!

I'm already looking at the TT for my next addition to the garage.

07-17-2015, 02:07 AM	#61
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	Mine RX3 stalled on me today as I coasted to a stop light in 3rd gear. When I tapped the starter button, the engine started immediately, and the bike didn't stall again for the rest of the ride. It has been weeks since the last time the engine stalled in this manner. I think it's normal for some bikes with EFI to exhibit this phenomenon. However, when I follow my usual practice, and downshift all the way to first gear as I decelerate, my engine never stalls. __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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07-19-2015, 09:55 AM	#63
fishman10 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: central PA Posts: 770	oil and stalling i will monitor the oil ,,not gonna get excited unless it totally covers the sight window .....put in exactly 1.7 quarts after draining an cleaning screens, as per your recommendation ,spud ...as for the stalling ,,guess im gona have to live with it,. __________________ 2015 zongshen rx3,,(Sold),,,2016 bashan storm,,2005 Harley ultra classic.
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10-17-2015, 11:30 AM	#64
fishman10 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: central PA Posts: 770	still stalling well ,ive kept pretty silent for awhile,,trying different stuff that csc has told me to try without success> MY rx3 is still stalling everyday,,an NO my valves are NOT tight,,,,,an it seems csc has given up ,,as they quit responding after i told them it wqs still doing it.I requested they send me a new ecm ,,just to try it ,,an i would send it back ,if it did not fix it,,,also was wondering if the clutch safety switch could have a defect causing this,,as the stalling always occurs when im coming to a stop ,pulling in the clutch...The other day it stalled in heavy traffic,,almost got me killed.I love the bike ,,but cant take it anymore. If i had a wish ,,i wish i coukld return it,for another ,,or just credit me an i will put it towards a 450 when they come out..I really want to be part of the program to show it to prospective buyers an help them prosper an sell more bikes,,But i cant have some one look at it and lie to them ,,,Im bummmed. __________________ 2015 zongshen rx3,,(Sold),,,2016 bashan storm,,2005 Harley ultra classic.
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10-17-2015, 12:31 PM	#65
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	Your bike is still under warranty for parts and labor, Fish. You could have CSC send you the Motor Scan to diagnose the ECU, or you could take the bike to a shop. I'm sure the problem can be resolved. I'm not saying you are wrong, but every time my bike stalls like this, I discover the valves are tight. I will be adjusting the valves again this morning. I need to adjust the valves about every 2,500 miles, just as Zongshen recommends. __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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10-17-2015, 12:55 PM	#66
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Fish, if it was the clutch switch, I'm guessing it would be repeatable. In other words, you should be able to make the bike stall while sitting in neutral, and just pulling and releasing the clutch. If that won't make it stall, I don't suspect the clutch switch. If you were riding an older China bike, I'd say the CDI is on the way out. Have you tried a new one? __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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10-17-2015, 12:58 PM	#67
fishman10 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: central PA Posts: 770	stalling only 800 miles since valve adjust,,i can here them now slightly ticking ,since the adjust ,, an as i have stated ,,i have requested from csc an they were helpful for awhile,,,but i guess they got tired of me ,,cause they have stopped responding. __________________ 2015 zongshen rx3,,(Sold),,,2016 bashan storm,,2005 Harley ultra classic.
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10-17-2015, 12:59 PM	#68
fishman10 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: central PA Posts: 770	stalling weld ,,,i do have a new one ,,i ordered off taebo,,,, good idea i will try it. __________________ 2015 zongshen rx3,,(Sold),,,2016 bashan storm,,2005 Harley ultra classic.
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10-17-2015, 08:56 PM	#70
fishman10 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: central PA Posts: 770	stalling There are two wires on the clutch perch assembly,They seem to only affect the starting in gear with the clutch pulled in ,im just grasping at anything electrical. CSC must have seen the post,,as they called an are sending the scan tool for me to use an hopefully find the problem.Also they are sending a complete throttle body with sensors to try.This could be it as mine sometimes requires 2 or 3 attempts to get it fired as it stalls quickly at start up and it does not go into that fast idle that should occur at cold start up..So once again csc is standing by their product an help solve the issue,,So a big thanks to csc,,!!! also i will send the old parts back for testing. __________________ 2015 zongshen rx3,,(Sold),,,2016 bashan storm,,2005 Harley ultra classic.
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10-18-2015, 11:53 AM	#72
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	I hope that the new parts solve it for you, Fish. Please let us know what happens. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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11-22-2015, 02:41 PM	#73
fishman10 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: central PA Posts: 770	My zong update Csc sent me every sensor , and a Ecm Throttle body , oxygen sensor , coil. And plug wire , ,, so I installed everything an took the bike for 100 mile ride . Sad to say it still stalls to be honest it stalled 16 times that day. So I did a compression check ( with a brand new harbor freight tool). And bike has 40 lbs less than. Csc specs. So not sure what's wrong , Now. For the good news csc is going to pick my bike up an fix it or put new engine in. "Whatever it takes". According to Steve an Jerry , So this had got to be the best customer service ever ! And it's winter here so don't ride as much anyhow! __________________ 2015 zongshen rx3,,(Sold),,,2016 bashan storm,,2005 Harley ultra classic.
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11-22-2015, 02:46 PM	#74
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	Thanks for posting the update, Fish. Indeed, I have never heard of better customer service from any motorcycle dealer, or manufacturer, for that matter. Kudos to CSC. __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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11-22-2015, 02:50 PM	#75
Lee R Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 343	Glad CSC is taking care of it. That kind of customer service sells bikes! I'm already looking at the TT for my next addition to the garage.
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