China Bike Bashing - Page 4

JoeKahno · 05-17-2023, 09:10 PM

Started watching and quickly gave up. When he made it clear that he bought the bike for the sole purpose of being free to express every bias he holds I knew nothing in the box was going to be rated higher than "adequate". He's going on and on about Chingresh warning labels that nobody reads anyway? The shop manual for my first '60's vintage Yamaha seemed to have been translated from Japanese to American by somebody who's native language was Inuit.

tpelle · 08-06-2023, 05:35 PM

I pretty much gave up on Yammie Noob several years ago when he reviewed a Ural sidecar rig with the 2WD feature, and he did his "test" entirely on city streets - complaining about it being such a bad city bike.

But I never saw him test his Turbocharged Hayabusa on a muddy and steep mountain trail either.

Bikenut · 08-06-2023, 06:07 PM

Actually I've been doing a lot of China bike bashing of late. I've been bashing the engine of my Lifan KPR200 against the redline through the curves and grinning from ear to ear!!!!!

DrewsBrews · 09-04-2023, 11:49 PM

IMO it all comes down to perspective. You can't fault someone for having a different perspective.

I would honestly agree with alot of what Yammie said. I wouldn't suggest others get a china bike unless they are a weirdo like me. I don't regret getting mine, though I got it used with low miles. I fully accept the downsides and have worked to try to minimize what I can. Though you can't fix the difficulty in finding parts and information with 100% certainty it is accurate..

I can tell I'm on a lower quality motorcycle every time I ride it. But I try to enjoy it for what it is rather than disliking it for what it isn't.

For the record I've got a vstrom 1000 that is still in mothballs. I pulled out the qlink since another buddy got a small bore bike and I figured this would be simpler to get back on the road.

Ghost82 · 03-12-2024, 12:31 AM

$ 2712.00 $$

Into my garage. INTO Thanks RL driver Randy

Fit my budget, Retired Vet US Army, decent pension and my Ghost is exactly what all you other Ghostriders said she was. 1st start out of the incredibly well packaged steel crate.

250 miles on her. Performs exactly as expected and desired.

Thanks to all of you guys for the great videos on YT.

So to Yammie, boohoo for not thinking people who aren't young Rich kids don't have the right or cool enough bike to Roll.

I earned my right to Roll on these American roads.
82Ghost

Mikd · 06-12-2024, 10:09 AM

Been at this riding thing for enough decades that it's no longer impressive more like sad so I've had a few bikes. As stated above it's all about perspective, you can enjoy it for what it is or hate it for what it isn't. I rode a Buell for a decade so internet hate and bashing is nothing new, that poor company was abused from every angle and still managed to produce what I consider to be the greatest motorcycle (in the right circumstances!) that I've ever "experienced". Last year I picked up a Templar X on a whim, the experience has again been truly surprising. A rare bargain is this screwy world.

Thumper · 06-12-2024, 11:58 AM

I think that the motivation for China bashing goes beyond outing the variable build quality and generic parts bin approach that makes these bikes affordable. No reason to go into the politics of it all, but the reality is that our homes and garages are filled with all sorts of things that are made 100% in, or from a high percentage of components that are made in China.

A few months ago I found a nice used Samsung dryer on Craigslist. Lots of features including steam (needs water connnection on the back) and it has a huge 7.5 cubic foot capacity. I totally cleaned out the lint, replaced the rollers, belt and idler pulley since it was sitting in the garage. It's like a new dryer. $150 and the guy GAVE me the companion washer! That needed some work, but... both are made in China.

Toasters, ranges, water heaters, plates, glasses, sheets, towels, toilet valves, high speed internet gear, rugs and carpet, furniture, tables/chairs... the list goes on. Some of it actually has an American brand name on it. The global economy is why we can buy all of this stuff. It is made by people that are willing to work for lower wages. There is some regulation but no law against it!

I would really like to know the true list of items that come on freighters in those containers. Even Harley Davidson is making and selling motorcycles in China. Also Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac. They stay there in the Chinese market, but made in China.

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Ghost82 Join Date: Feb 2024 Location: Washington in PNW Posts: 3	Yammie BOOHOOb $ 2712.00 $$ Into my garage. INTO Thanks RL driver Randy Fit my budget, Retired Vet US Army, decent pension and my Ghost is exactly what all you other Ghostriders said she was. 1st start out of the incredibly well packaged steel crate. 250 miles on her. Performs exactly as expected and desired. Thanks to all of you guys for the great videos on YT. So to Yammie, boohoo for not thinking people who aren't young Rich kids don't have the right or cool enough bike to Roll. I earned my right to Roll on these American roads. 82Ghost Attached Thumbnails
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06-12-2024, 10:09 AM	#6
Mikd Join Date: May 2023 Location: NY Posts: 131	Been at this riding thing for enough decades that it's no longer impressive more like sad so I've had a few bikes. As stated above it's all about perspective, you can enjoy it for what it is or hate it for what it isn't. I rode a Buell for a decade so internet hate and bashing is nothing new, that poor company was abused from every angle and still managed to produce what I consider to be the greatest motorcycle (in the right circumstances!) that I've ever "experienced". Last year I picked up a Templar X on a whim, the experience has again been truly surprising. A rare bargain is this screwy world. __________________ Templar X Vitacci Clash 200 Beta 300rr GasGas TXT 125
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06-12-2024, 11:58 AM	#7
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,391	I think that the motivation for China bashing goes beyond outing the variable build quality and generic parts bin approach that makes these bikes affordable. No reason to go into the politics of it all, but the reality is that our homes and garages are filled with all sorts of things that are made 100% in, or from a high percentage of components that are made in China. A few months ago I found a nice used Samsung dryer on Craigslist. Lots of features including steam (needs water connnection on the back) and it has a huge 7.5 cubic foot capacity. I totally cleaned out the lint, replaced the rollers, belt and idler pulley since it was sitting in the garage. It's like a new dryer. $150 and the guy GAVE me the companion washer! That needed some work, but... both are made in China. Toasters, ranges, water heaters, plates, glasses, sheets, towels, toilet valves, high speed internet gear, rugs and carpet, furniture, tables/chairs... the list goes on. Some of it actually has an American brand name on it. The global economy is why we can buy all of this stuff. It is made by people that are willing to work for lower wages. There is some regulation but no law against it! I would really like to know the true list of items that come on freighters in those containers. Even Harley Davidson is making and selling motorcycles in China. Also Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac. They stay there in the Chinese market, but made in China. __________________ -2022 5 speed Templar X Orange, OEM 51T rear sprocket, 14T front sprocket -NOS 2020 KTM 250SX (2-stroke motocross), less than 10 hours on it
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05-17-2023, 09:10 PM	#1
JoeKahno Join Date: May 2023 Posts: 16	Started watching and quickly gave up. When he made it clear that he bought the bike for the sole purpose of being free to express every bias he holds I knew nothing in the box was going to be rated higher than "adequate". He's going on and on about Chingresh warning labels that nobody reads anyway? The shop manual for my first '60's vintage Yamaha seemed to have been translated from Japanese to American by somebody who's native language was Inuit.
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08-06-2023, 05:35 PM	#2
tpelle Join Date: Mar 2022 Posts: 47	I pretty much gave up on Yammie Noob several years ago when he reviewed a Ural sidecar rig with the 2WD feature, and he did his "test" entirely on city streets - complaining about it being such a bad city bike. But I never saw him test his Turbocharged Hayabusa on a muddy and steep mountain trail either.
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08-06-2023, 06:07 PM	#3
Bikenut Join Date: Apr 2023 Location: Near Saginaw Mich. Posts: 178	Actually I've been doing a lot of China bike bashing of late. I've been bashing the engine of my Lifan KPR200 against the redline through the curves and grinning from ear to ear!!!!!
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09-04-2023, 11:49 PM	#4
DrewsBrews Join Date: Jun 2023 Posts: 14	IMO it all comes down to perspective. You can't fault someone for having a different perspective. I would honestly agree with alot of what Yammie said. I wouldn't suggest others get a china bike unless they are a weirdo like me. I don't regret getting mine, though I got it used with low miles. I fully accept the downsides and have worked to try to minimize what I can. Though you can't fix the difficulty in finding parts and information with 100% certainty it is accurate.. I can tell I'm on a lower quality motorcycle every time I ride it. But I try to enjoy it for what it is rather than disliking it for what it isn't. For the record I've got a vstrom 1000 that is still in mothballs. I pulled out the qlink since another buddy got a small bore bike and I figured this would be simpler to get back on the road.
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