Is this a joke (now illegal to sell children's motorcycles) - Page 4

sprocket · 09-07-2009, 01:51 PM

I see this is an old thread, but from where I stand it would seem that the USA is the land of the free no more!

katoranger · 09-07-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sprocket

I see this is an old thread, but from where I stand it would seem that the USA is the land of the free no more!

That's about right. Too many people trying to force there views on everyone else by using government control.

I think I serve a side of pitbike with dinner.

TeamCheap · 09-07-2009, 07:18 PM

Thankfully there are some really REALLY smart people looking out for the rest of dummies and making the world safe for us. :roll: :roll: :roll:
I need a bubblewrap suit.

AZ200cc · 09-08-2009, 12:20 AM

It's almost a civil war, Except we are not fighting back...We "Myself included" sit and take it......We get kicked out of the woods, We get told what to wear while riding, We get told how loud our bikes can be, We have to pay to be on a trail, Our kids can't ride anymore.....One day everyone will say enough is enough. And we will tell all of these Kalevoranian, soccer mom, wussy raising, Tree hugging, Gun hating, Prius driving, morons to kiss our grits...

TurboT · 09-08-2009, 04:06 AM

Funny how normally we here in Canada are a little bit more nuts with the safety police on most things. I was in a Yamaha dealer this week looking at all the TTR 50 and 90 kids bikes. I think they had more of those in stock than any big boy toys.

It's the one time I can say in our close to socialist country we're ahead of you yanks, we're still letting our kids have a little fun.

AZ200cc · 09-09-2009, 12:40 AM

Our kids can only have fun if they wear fourteen inches of padding while playing a video game.

TeamCheap · 09-09-2009, 06:37 AM

So I guess the whole thing started from the lead in the paint and other parts on kids toys and also on those kids motorsport toys but the powers that be were just to stupid to realize that kids who ride these toys rarely if ever lick them.Now the smaller toys made for younger kids I can see being banned until tested safe, you know the ones that are pushed/pedaled or even electric powered.

I wonder how our coming soon to be mandatory national healthcare will effect some of the activities we engage in now.
If its deemed to dangerous of an activity and costly they will most likely ban it.

They already limit and/or ban a lot of things but still allow items associated with them to be sold and for the only reason I can think of is the tax monies they collect from the sales.

On a side thought can someone explain rebates.
If I go and buy something for say $200 and get a $50 rebate did I just pay sales tax on the $200(I assume YES) :?: If so thats even worse than paying the voluntary tax (lottery).

Oengus · 01-03-2010, 04:09 PM

It is all related to lead content in childrenâ€™s toys and then these being considered toys and only if sold to under twelve years of age, a child and toys.

I would say it should not be about the content of lead and more about the probability of being exposed to it, which other than the battery seem pretty low to me.

Itâ€™s not a ban on children riding, its about a ban on products that contain lead being sold for children to play with or in this incidence on.

Did they consult any scientists and engineers on this one? It comes of as â€œlead badâ€ â€¦â€œban leadâ€ ? I would say it is not even something to be concerned with if it's in a metal its not going anywhere and how is it going to be ingested?

The battery that is the only potential threat I can imagineâ€¦is it just me? Touching the terminal and then eating some cheetosâ€¦.not good. Do these people know we teach our kids not to touch the battery terminals, the acid is more than a deterrent. Do not touch it and if you did wash your hands.

Then maybe brakes and the brake dust, that also could be a problem so then the metals used on brakes should have metal that is low lead content.

What else?

Weldangrind · 01-04-2010, 02:13 AM

My guess is that the plastic bodywork is full of lead. Remember the off-shore PVC blind issue from about 15 years ago? That was due to lead content as well.

Oengus · 01-04-2010, 01:04 PM

yeah its in the plastics as well...

from the CDC

Plastic: The use of lead in plastics has not been banned. It softens the plastic and makes it more flexible so that it can go back to its original shape. It may also be used in plastic toys to stabilize molecules from heat. When the plastic is exposed to substances such as sunlight, air, and detergents the chemical bond between the lead and plastics breaks down and forms a dust.

To many thing to worry about if you ask me. I do not think the motorcycles should be a concern.

FastDoc · 01-04-2010, 01:21 PM

Of all the %$#@ing things that deserve worry and get ignored, what is the (political) motivation to go after kid's quads? I don't know, but there is something.

So, no one cares about gang violence, abortions on teenage girls, drugs, childhood obesity, and out counrty going to hell in a handbasket?

Sure. Ban ATV's that'll help.

FastDoc · 01-04-2010, 01:24 PM

Maybe we should start requiring that kids have ATV's. Time spent with family riding them, fixing them, and maintaining them will be time taken away from the bad pursuits kids get into when they have too much free time. Plus, if thay have to get a job to pay for them, even if it's only a 'token' like chores or raking leaves, so much the better.

New Law Proposal:

Every child between the ages of 8 and 18 must have an ATV or a little dirt bike, must ride and maintain it, and must not gnaw on the lead containing plastic.

Give me a break. :evil:

davidsonsgccc · 01-04-2010, 03:02 PM

maybe if they are drugged up pregnant and to fat to work they will more warmly welcome nationalized healthcare. if they ride for fun and excercise they probably will hunt to. they would be to self-sufficent for the government to control. this may be funny but might not be far from truth.
shawn

FastDoc · 01-04-2010, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by davidsonsgccc

maybe if they are drugged up pregnant and to fat to work they will more warmly welcome nationalized healthcare. if they ride for fun and excercise they probably will hunt to. they would be to self-sufficent for the government to control. this may be funny but might not be far from truth.
shawn

That's along the lines of what I was thinking.

Oengus · 01-06-2010, 09:58 AM

Part of the problem is people and tangents, it takes away from any validity.

Then you never know who or what is a valid point or concern.

I do not believe in conspiracies those often form after the fact and are often only externalities, things that came about as a result of changes in the law. When they pass a law many spend so much time seeking to get around it or even capitalize on it, it looks as if they conspired for that law.

The concern was lead in toys and it snowballed, it got too big and now it has to be pushed back. The concern should be for infant and toddler exposure.

Products marketed to children is the language, it was private sector attorneys that labeled the motosports and liabilities not the government directly. Itâ€™s the attorneys in the corporations that pulled the products not the government. Itâ€™s not illegal unless expressed as illegal, itâ€™s the lead content and products that are marketed for use by childrenâ€¦not sold to. It fell in the criteria and has to be defined as exempt and because it is not practical or even threatening in this product to limit or be concerned with lead use in the manufacturing of them.

The attorneys that called for the pull of the products will be the same ones that lobby the exemptions in the law. Thatâ€™s who makes a buck off this, the lawyers.

Honda and the others will weigh that cost against the profit on the product line, itâ€™s not a big money maker for them and they may not but more than likely will buy out of it with the lawyers tailoring how to do that.

09-08-2009, 12:20 AM	#49
AZ200cc Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Show Low Arizona Posts: 2,889	It's almost a civil war, Except we are not fighting back...We "Myself included" sit and take it......We get kicked out of the woods, We get told what to wear while riding, We get told how loud our bikes can be, We have to pay to be on a trail, Our kids can't ride anymore.....One day everyone will say enough is enough. And we will tell all of these Kalevoranian, soccer mom, wussy raising, Tree hugging, Gun hating, Prius driving, morons to kiss our grits... __________________ <br />2001 Suzuki DR200SE<br />1997 Suzuki RM250 YIKES<br />1995 Yamaha Breeze 125 daughters<br />1991 Honda XR80r Restored<br />maybe a 2003 Yamaha TTR90
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09-09-2009, 12:40 AM	#51
AZ200cc Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Show Low Arizona Posts: 2,889	Our kids can only have fun if they wear fourteen inches of padding while playing a video game. __________________ <br />2001 Suzuki DR200SE<br />1997 Suzuki RM250 YIKES<br />1995 Yamaha Breeze 125 daughters<br />1991 Honda XR80r Restored<br />maybe a 2003 Yamaha TTR90
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01-03-2010, 04:09 PM	#53
Oengus Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 826	blown out of proportion. It is all related to lead content in childrenâ€™s toys and then these being considered toys and only if sold to under twelve years of age, a child and toys. I would say it should not be about the content of lead and more about the probability of being exposed to it, which other than the battery seem pretty low to me. Itâ€™s not a ban on children riding, its about a ban on products that contain lead being sold for children to play with or in this incidence on. Did they consult any scientists and engineers on this one? It comes of as â€œlead badâ€ â€¦â€œban leadâ€ ? I would say it is not even something to be concerned with if it's in a metal its not going anywhere and how is it going to be ingested? The battery that is the only potential threat I can imagineâ€¦is it just me? Touching the terminal and then eating some cheetosâ€¦.not good. Do these people know we teach our kids not to touch the battery terminals, the acid is more than a deterrent. Do not touch it and if you did wash your hands. Then maybe brakes and the brake dust, that also could be a problem so then the metals used on brakes should have metal that is low lead content. What else?
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01-04-2010, 02:13 AM	#54
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	My guess is that the plastic bodywork is full of lead. Remember the off-shore PVC blind issue from about 15 years ago? That was due to lead content as well. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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01-04-2010, 01:21 PM	#56
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	Of all the %$#@ing things that deserve worry and get ignored, what is the (political) motivation to go after kid's quads? I don't know, but there is something. So, no one cares about gang violence, abortions on teenage girls, drugs, childhood obesity, and out counrty going to hell in a handbasket? Sure. Ban ATV's that'll help. __________________ Happy to serve.
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09-07-2009, 01:51 PM	#46
sprocket Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 4	I see this is an old thread, but from where I stand it would seem that the USA is the land of the free no more!
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09-07-2009, 07:18 PM	#48
TeamCheap Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: directly under the earths sun............NOW Posts: 2,302	Thankfully there are some really REALLY smart people looking out for the rest of dummies and making the world safe for us. :roll: :roll: :roll: I need a bubblewrap suit.
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09-08-2009, 04:06 AM	#50
TurboT Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Posts: 2,185	Funny how normally we here in Canada are a little bit more nuts with the safety police on most things. I was in a Yamaha dealer this week looking at all the TTR 50 and 90 kids bikes. I think they had more of those in stock than any big boy toys. It's the one time I can say in our close to socialist country we're ahead of you yanks, we're still letting our kids have a little fun.
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09-09-2009, 06:37 AM	#52
TeamCheap Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: directly under the earths sun............NOW Posts: 2,302	So I guess the whole thing started from the lead in the paint and other parts on kids toys and also on those kids motorsport toys but the powers that be were just to stupid to realize that kids who ride these toys rarely if ever lick them.Now the smaller toys made for younger kids I can see being banned until tested safe, you know the ones that are pushed/pedaled or even electric powered. I wonder how our coming soon to be mandatory national healthcare will effect some of the activities we engage in now. If its deemed to dangerous of an activity and costly they will most likely ban it. They already limit and/or ban a lot of things but still allow items associated with them to be sold and for the only reason I can think of is the tax monies they collect from the sales. On a side thought can someone explain rebates. If I go and buy something for say $200 and get a $50 rebate did I just pay sales tax on the $200(I assume YES) :?: If so thats even worse than paying the voluntary tax (lottery).
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01-04-2010, 01:04 PM	#55
Oengus Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 826	yeah its in the plastics as well... from the CDC Plastic: The use of lead in plastics has not been banned. It softens the plastic and makes it more flexible so that it can go back to its original shape. It may also be used in plastic toys to stabilize molecules from heat. When the plastic is exposed to substances such as sunlight, air, and detergents the chemical bond between the lead and plastics breaks down and forms a dust. To many thing to worry about if you ask me. I do not think the motorcycles should be a concern.
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01-04-2010, 01:24 PM	#57
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	Maybe we should start requiring that kids have ATV's. Time spent with family riding them, fixing them, and maintaining them will be time taken away from the bad pursuits kids get into when they have too much free time. Plus, if thay have to get a job to pay for them, even if it's only a 'token' like chores or raking leaves, so much the better. New Law Proposal: Every child between the ages of 8 and 18 must have an ATV or a little dirt bike, must ride and maintain it, and must not gnaw on the lead containing plastic. Give me a break. :evil: __________________ Happy to serve.
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01-04-2010, 03:02 PM	#58
davidsonsgccc Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chickamauga, Ga. Posts: 278	maybe if they are drugged up pregnant and to fat to work they will more warmly welcome nationalized healthcare. if they ride for fun and excercise they probably will hunt to. they would be to self-sufficent for the government to control. this may be funny but might not be far from truth. shawn __________________ my help may not be the best but it is free+-Seek ye first the kingdom of GOD
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01-06-2010, 09:58 AM	#60
Oengus Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 826	Part of the problem is people and tangents, it takes away from any validity. Then you never know who or what is a valid point or concern. I do not believe in conspiracies those often form after the fact and are often only externalities, things that came about as a result of changes in the law. When they pass a law many spend so much time seeking to get around it or even capitalize on it, it looks as if they conspired for that law. The concern was lead in toys and it snowballed, it got too big and now it has to be pushed back. The concern should be for infant and toddler exposure. Products marketed to children is the language, it was private sector attorneys that labeled the motosports and liabilities not the government directly. Itâ€™s the attorneys in the corporations that pulled the products not the government. Itâ€™s not illegal unless expressed as illegal, itâ€™s the lead content and products that are marketed for use by childrenâ€¦not sold to. It fell in the criteria and has to be defined as exempt and because it is not practical or even threatening in this product to limit or be concerned with lead use in the manufacturing of them. The attorneys that called for the pull of the products will be the same ones that lobby the exemptions in the law. Thatâ€™s who makes a buck off this, the lawyers. Honda and the others will weigh that cost against the profit on the product line, itâ€™s not a big money maker for them and they may not but more than likely will buy out of it with the lawyers tailoring how to do that.
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