C-200 cafe'....My project bike..... - Page 3

Weldangrind · 11-23-2012, 10:20 AM

I can attest to that. I've simply punished the CG200 in my atv, and it hasn't missed a beat! I'm a big fan of the vertical pushrod motors.

Back to your topic...

Does the 125 you puchased have electric start, or is it kick-only?

66Sprint · 11-23-2012, 01:17 PM

I ordered the 125cc, kick-only, 4 speed, manual clutch, international shift pattern (1 down 3 up), OHC engine......It's replacing a "90" cc, kick-only, 4 speed, manual clutch, "four-down" pattern OHV engine.....

I'm 90% certain the shift pattern was partially responsable for the over-revs.....Hard to re-train the muscle memory to do two different patterns automaticly.....
Surprisingly, I didn't have a similar problem on my Harley Sprint when shifting with my right foot, and braking with the left....However, my wife did, so I fabricated a bolt-on adapter that swapped the sides to what is now the conventional pattern on most bikes....I'm very proud of that bit of fabrication as it allows quick conversion onto any of my Sprints without any damage to the original parts of the bike....

As you all can now see, I'm fond of the "horizontal" engine configuration... and reasonably small engine displacements (the Harley has a single cylinder, 250cc pushrod engine)......

Weldangrind · 11-24-2012, 04:44 PM

Any of my Sprints? Wow. I'm going to request a thread on those!

I'd really like to see the fabrication you did to move the shifter to the left side.

I can appreciate what you're saying about the four-down pattern. Son of Weldangrind's first bike had that pattern, and it was a concious effort for me to do it properly. I can imagine that the rotary pattern could be a recipe for disaster.

FastDoc · 11-24-2012, 09:42 PM

I had a Chinabike witth a reversed pattern. I blew it a couple of times...

My BSA had a right foot shifter but a normal pattern. Also very difficult to get used to, especially since I go back and forth between bikes.

66Sprint · 11-25-2012, 05:39 AM

Weld,....Doc,....
Since the primary reason for this project log was to (hopefully) inspire other members to consider, and not be hesitant to make modifications to adapt or "fit" their bikes to their needs and riding styles/purposes, I think the little Harley's foot control swap and mods will be a suitable addition, even if it does stray from the original project a bit......

The principles and proceedure are the same as one would use to fabricate custom rear-sets, so it could also be somewhat of a guide or educational tool in that respect as well...
I'll add/edit in some pics later, as it will be easier to explain and follow the process if they show the construction in stages rather than just the finished assembly on the bike.....
I'll also probably discribe the process in too much detail...LOL.....

I don't want anyone to think I'm "talking-down" to them, but rather I just want the thought process that went into each step of the fabrication to be a very clear example of the technical, mechanical, and SAFETY considerations of any such project.....

Stay Tuned!

**cheesy** · 11-25-2012, 09:49 AM

Very interesting build. Really looking to see how this comes out.

One of the guys who works for me is doing a custom C100 build. Right now, he is dealing with a myriad of electrical issues but he did make his 'suicide shifter' work.

Weldangrind · 11-25-2012, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 66Sprint

I don't want anyone to think I'm "talking-down" to them...

Not at all! We all have different backgrounds and levels of experience. Your willingness to share your experience is what makes this a terrific forum.

If you'd care to start a new thread on the Sprints, I'd be very grateful. Those machines deserve a specific topic. 8)

66Sprint · 11-29-2012, 01:10 AM

Engine finally in transit...delivery due the 3rd of December....Can't wait!....

katoranger · 12-04-2012, 08:26 AM

That was yesterday.

66Sprint · 12-04-2012, 11:01 AM

The engine arrived on time (date) and looks pretty good.....
Currently, I'm sourcing the wiring connectors I'll need to hook it up to the Honda......

I'm ASSUMING the pin/wire color orientation shown for the 5-wire CDI on the Hooper site is correct for the CDI and Rectifier units themselves, not for the plug halves in the harness..... Can anyone verify?

katoranger · 12-04-2012, 12:55 PM

I would go with colors. Pin layout can be different.

Another very helpful site is www.dratv.com for the horizontal clones.

Allen

FastDoc · 12-04-2012, 01:23 PM

Steve, your assumption should be correct. That was the case when I installed the Lifan 200 in my XR200.

66Sprint · 12-04-2012, 05:37 PM

Allen, I appreciate the DrATV site link, (saved it and will use it) but my problem is the components themselves have only an internal plug with bare pins showing.... No way to tell colors so I can manufacture the harness....
IF the Hooper drawing shows the component connectors, I'll be OK...But if it shows the plug end that inserts into the units, I'll be wired in a mirror image and may damage/destroy the units.....
The actual cure for me will be to go look at a harness on a running bike that has a similar Lifan engine......Then I'll KNOW I'm doing it correctly....
A friend is allowing me to check out the harness on his 110 Quad tonight or tomorrow, which should have the correct components.....

Thanks Doc, pretty sure I'm right, but will be happier when I'm absolutely sure....The vertical components are/may be different from what I'm dealing with if I'm reading the diagrams correctly....I any case, I'll post the results/solution as a reference.....

Steve

66Sprint · 12-04-2012, 05:50 PM

I can now verify that the wiring colors listed on Hooper's site for the 5-pin CDI and the rectifier are the view looking into the connector of the unplugged/loose components..... :wink:

katoranger · 12-06-2012, 10:01 AM

I understand what you are asking now. Sounds like you just moved another step closer too.

The dratv site is good and I have ordered from them before.

11-23-2012, 10:20 AM	#31
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	I can attest to that. I've simply punished the CG200 in my atv, and it hasn't missed a beat! I'm a big fan of the vertical pushrod motors. Back to your topic... Does the 125 you puchased have electric start, or is it kick-only? __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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11-24-2012, 04:44 PM	#33
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Any of my Sprints? Wow. I'm going to request a thread on those! I'd really like to see the fabrication you did to move the shifter to the left side. I can appreciate what you're saying about the four-down pattern. Son of Weldangrind's first bike had that pattern, and it was a concious effort for me to do it properly. I can imagine that the rotary pattern could be a recipe for disaster. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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11-24-2012, 09:42 PM	#34
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	I had a Chinabike witth a reversed pattern. I blew it a couple of times... My BSA had a right foot shifter but a normal pattern. Also very difficult to get used to, especially since I go back and forth between bikes. __________________ Happy to serve.
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11-25-2012, 09:49 AM	#36
cheesy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Elburn, IL Posts: 5,803	Very interesting build. Really looking to see how this comes out. One of the guys who works for me is doing a custom C100 build. Right now, he is dealing with a myriad of electrical issues but he did make his 'suicide shifter' work. __________________ Cheesy ______________________________________ 07 Hi Bird Enduro-Flown the Coop 07 Ural Gear Up 79 Honda CX500 77 VeloSolex 4600 V3 73 VeloSolex 3800 I'm making this up as I go.-Indiana Jones Telling me something 'is for my own good', is a fast way to a fat lip.-Me I don't even care about my own problems, why should I care about yours?-Quote on one of my favorite t-shirts
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12-04-2012, 08:26 AM	#39
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	That was yesterday. __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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11-23-2012, 01:17 PM	#32
66Sprint Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Roanoke, Virginia Posts: 76	I ordered the 125cc, kick-only, 4 speed, manual clutch, international shift pattern (1 down 3 up), OHC engine......It's replacing a "90" cc, kick-only, 4 speed, manual clutch, "four-down" pattern OHV engine..... I'm 90% certain the shift pattern was partially responsable for the over-revs.....Hard to re-train the muscle memory to do two different patterns automaticly..... Surprisingly, I didn't have a similar problem on my Harley Sprint when shifting with my right foot, and braking with the left....However, my wife did, so I fabricated a bolt-on adapter that swapped the sides to what is now the conventional pattern on most bikes....I'm very proud of that bit of fabrication as it allows quick conversion onto any of my Sprints without any damage to the original parts of the bike.... As you all can now see, I'm fond of the "horizontal" engine configuration... and reasonably small engine displacements (the Harley has a single cylinder, 250cc pushrod engine)......
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11-25-2012, 05:39 AM	#35
66Sprint Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Roanoke, Virginia Posts: 76	Weld,....Doc,.... Since the primary reason for this project log was to (hopefully) inspire other members to consider, and not be hesitant to make modifications to adapt or "fit" their bikes to their needs and riding styles/purposes, I think the little Harley's foot control swap and mods will be a suitable addition, even if it does stray from the original project a bit...... The principles and proceedure are the same as one would use to fabricate custom rear-sets, so it could also be somewhat of a guide or educational tool in that respect as well... I'll add/edit in some pics later, as it will be easier to explain and follow the process if they show the construction in stages rather than just the finished assembly on the bike..... I'll also probably discribe the process in too much detail...LOL..... I don't want anyone to think I'm "talking-down" to them, but rather I just want the thought process that went into each step of the fabrication to be a very clear example of the technical, mechanical, and SAFETY considerations of any such project..... Stay Tuned!
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11-29-2012, 01:10 AM	#38
66Sprint Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Roanoke, Virginia Posts: 76	Engine finally in transit...delivery due the 3rd of December....Can't wait!....
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12-04-2012, 11:01 AM	#40
66Sprint Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Roanoke, Virginia Posts: 76	The engine arrived on time (date) and looks pretty good..... Currently, I'm sourcing the wiring connectors I'll need to hook it up to the Honda...... I'm ASSUMING the pin/wire color orientation shown for the 5-wire CDI on the Hooper site is correct for the CDI and Rectifier units themselves, not for the plug halves in the harness..... Can anyone verify?
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12-04-2012, 12:55 PM	#41
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	I would go with colors. Pin layout can be different. Another very helpful site is www.dratv.com for the horizontal clones. Allen __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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12-04-2012, 01:23 PM	#42
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	Steve, your assumption should be correct. That was the case when I installed the Lifan 200 in my XR200. __________________ Happy to serve.
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12-04-2012, 05:37 PM	#43
66Sprint Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Roanoke, Virginia Posts: 76	Allen, I appreciate the DrATV site link, (saved it and will use it) but my problem is the components themselves have only an internal plug with bare pins showing.... No way to tell colors so I can manufacture the harness.... IF the Hooper drawing shows the component connectors, I'll be OK...But if it shows the plug end that inserts into the units, I'll be wired in a mirror image and may damage/destroy the units..... The actual cure for me will be to go look at a harness on a running bike that has a similar Lifan engine......Then I'll KNOW I'm doing it correctly.... A friend is allowing me to check out the harness on his 110 Quad tonight or tomorrow, which should have the correct components..... Thanks Doc, pretty sure I'm right, but will be happier when I'm absolutely sure....The vertical components are/may be different from what I'm dealing with if I'm reading the diagrams correctly....I any case, I'll post the results/solution as a reference..... Steve
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12-04-2012, 05:50 PM	#44
66Sprint Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Roanoke, Virginia Posts: 76	I can now verify that the wiring colors listed on Hooper's site for the 5-pin CDI and the rectifier are the view looking into the connector of the unplugged/loose components..... :wink:
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12-06-2012, 10:01 AM	#45
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	I understand what you are asking now. Sounds like you just moved another step closer too. The dratv site is good and I have ordered from them before. __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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