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[sheadouglas]

I'd rather keep the crown J/K No really Im serious

[mdsuave13]

well thats the other benefit, any injuries you sustain, drink away the pain.. haha.. we need to figure out a way to get these bikes to run on bacardi 151 or something emergency flask for the bike


one dab for you, one dab for me...

[sheadouglas]

You think these bikes could run on alcohol?

[ambassador]

Hmm, What is the price breakdown of Bacardi 151 vs. 93 Octane? Per Gallon??

[liverchip]

Hmmmm....Might have to try that.

[zacstewart]

Originally Posted by sheadouglas

You think these bikes could run on alcohol?

Hey I was thinking about doing the exact same thing and if you want you can look at my findings. I found a guide on doing it to a car, but the same basic procedure would apply to a bike I imagine. It involved adding a second tank (chemical grade 20 liter bottle :wink, T-valving that to your fuel supply line and then enlarging the jets in your carb and weighting the fuel float to compensate for alcohol being more dense than gasoline.

It still runs on gas, but very richly. It's best to put ethanol in the gas tank and keep the small tank filled with gas to use just for starting because ethyl doesn't like to ignite when it's cold.

Perhapse I'll buy an extra carb and try this some time when I get my bike. If so, I'll document and photograph the entire thing for anyone else interested.

But anyway, here's the complete guide for it:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_...nol_drane.html

[PolygonFla]

I ran a bike on Everclear 20 years ago just long enough to get to a gas station. It ran ok with the factory carb and settings but seemed like it was only producing about half the horsepower. I was young and stupid, I'm suprised I didn't sieze the engine or something.

[liverchip]

Mmmmmm yummy Everclear......Once again illegal in California.

[Jet_Tech]

Is there anything legal in the state of California? NO BOOZE, NO GUNS, NO AMMO, NO CHINESE BIKES, WTF! It is its own communistic nation. Pretty soon they will be banning breast enlagements and thats when I will gather up a strike team of China Riders and strike down the great red state. May all men be equal and have women with large silicone boobies.

[mdsuave13]

i prefer to look at silicon boobies, but play with the real things.

you'd have to be careful that the alcohol you used didnt contain sugars, or you could gum up the works... i have heard rumors about running a car on bacardi 151 or something like that, but never personally tried it. maybe i will contact mythbusters and see if they would do it

[sheadouglas]

Originally Posted by mdsuave13

i prefer to look at silicon boobies, but play with the real things.

I like boobies too 8O

[red2003]

Alcohol requires a much higher compression ratio to ignite. I believe minumum is around 12:1. These bikes would not run on pure alcohol with such low compression ratios. My Roketa is like 9.2:1.

[Roketarider]

haha...the bikes run on alcohol....you would be stranded somewhere and drunk...haha

[PolygonFla]

We kind of got off of the thread topic, but hey this is fun to talk about too

Ideally, you'll want an engine with very high compression ratio to run alcohol, in order to take full advantage of the fuel's resistance to detonation. 17:1 compression works nicely with alcohol, and also happens to drastically increase fuel efficiency and power. However it is not required it just means you are running less efficiently and using more fuel per pony.
The biggest problem with alcohol is the fact that it sucks up water right out of the air, and unlike gasoline, alcohol mixes with the water just fine. That's why it's so corrosive, water is everywhere. If you run a carb'd engine, you need specially treated surfaces inside the carburetor to resist corrosion, and the fuel passages and jets need to be roughly twice as large as with gasoline.

The compression ratio on the Kawasaki was 10.7 to 1. I'm sure the pint of Everclear I put in the tank mixed with whatever amount the reserve pickup couldn't get. So I'm thinking the alcohol to petrol ratio was around 60:40.

It did start, and ran about 4 miles from the barracks to the gas station. Back then gas was around a buck a gallon and Everclear was around eight times that per pint.

[zacstewart]

Originally Posted by mdsuave13

you'd have to be careful that the alcohol you used didnt contain sugars, or you could gum up the works...

Using beverage alcohol would probably be a bad/inefficient idea. You'd need fuel-grade eth. You can distill it yourself with a license I believe.