Zh165 or zs177?? Help!!

[TominMO]

Did a search on your VIN, using several sources. Comes up as a 2020 BMS Bi-Metro 110/Cougar 125 scooter made by Chongqing Yinxiang Motorcycle(Group) Co Ltd. It's a Honda Cub clone. But with an air-cooled 250 motor, in some VIN descriptions!? Really weird. In any case, it does not belong on that bike.

Texas Powersports does sell both the BMS and Cougar brands, mostly scooters. Cub clones are no longer sold in the US, but probably are still in Asian markets. BMS also has an air-cooled 250 dualsport.

So the VIN plate has been swapped. Probably taken off a scooter that was wrecked and sent to the junkyard. I conjecture that the top line of the VIN plate, which has been obscured, would give this away.

[Dan-the-man]

Originally Posted by TominMO

According to your VIN tag, the bike is a 2020 model. So has he had these specially-put-together-for-him bikes for two to three years?

Did you notice the line on the VIN tag above the WRX250 line, which has been blacked out? Look how rough the last part is, above the 2020. What does that tell you?

First you say he won't tell you where he got them, but now he is showing you the import paperwork and invoices. Which is it? Why would some company bother to make up a few special bikes for this tiny one-man operation? Why would he bother to do this at all, for a couple of hundred dollars profit? And doesn't the import paperwork/invoices ID the make and model?

Why is he selling a LC 250 for about the cost of a set of plastics, when he should be able to get ten times as much or more, if he is legitimate? None of this makes any sense at all, which is why I call BS. Either he conned you or you are conning us. Or conning yourself because you want to think this is all legal.

I had no reason to believe it wasn’t legal. Yes I painted the frame, not to hide anything but because I wanted it black.
The top of the vin had a name the next comment referred to along there. I will clean it off and post a picture. I’m not hiding or intend to and if I can prove the bike is stolen then I will go to the authorities about it and I don’t welcome that crap in my life.
I said I paid $400 cash, there was also some work on his property done, not that it’s really any of your business.

[Dan-the-man]

Originally Posted by TominMO

Did a search on your VIN, using several sources. Comes up as a 2020 BMS Bi-Metro 110/Cougar 125 scooter made by Chongqing Yinxiang Motorcycle(Group) Co Ltd. It's a Honda Cub clone. But with an air-cooled 250 motor, in some VIN descriptions!? Really weird. In any case, it does not belong on that bike.

Texas Powersports does sell both the BMS and Cougar brands, mostly scooters. Cub clones are no longer sold in the US, but probably are still in Asian markets. BMS also has an air-cooled 250 dualsport.

So the VIN plate has been swapped. Probably taken off a scooter that was wrecked and sent to the junkyard. I conjecture that the top line of the VIN plate, which has been obscured, would give this away.

Well I’ll be damned.
The frame it a dead knock of of a crf450.
I have used the crf swing arm bushes and bearings. Steering bearings.
It’s also watercooled.
As said in previous reply I will clean up the vin tag better this evening and get a picture of the top.
But it did have a company name. Possibly the one you said but will
Know soon

[Dan-the-man]

Originally Posted by TominMO

Did a search on your VIN, using several sources. Comes up as a 2020 BMS Bi-Metro 110/Cougar 125 scooter made by Chongqing Yinxiang Motorcycle(Group) Co Ltd. It's a Honda Cub clone. But with an air-cooled 250 motor, in some VIN descriptions!? Really weird. In any case, it does not belong on that bike.

Texas Powersports does sell both the BMS and Cougar brands, mostly scooters. Cub clones are no longer sold in the US, but probably are still in Asian markets. BMS also has an air-cooled 250 dualsport.

So the VIN plate has been swapped. Probably taken off a scooter that was wrecked and sent to the junkyard. I conjecture that the top line of the VIN plate, which has been obscured, would give this away.

So here’s the top of vin tag.

[TominMO]

Did a couple of hours of research this morning. I'll try to keep it brief. It's very twisty.

1. Under that manufacturer on the first line, the only motorcycles they list on their website are 50 cc - 150cc. They do have a 250cc ATV. All are under the Senke brand name.
2. The Regulmoto clue apparently refers to an importer, distributor or motorcycle company in Russia. I think they sell bikes from different manufacturers.
3. Motoland has a model called the WRX250NC, as on your plate. My best guess is that Motoland is a Russia/Ukraine-only brand name for the Chinese factory's bikes in those countries. (In the US a few decades ago, Nissan sold cars under the Datsun brand only for the US market. No idea why. And Kawasakis are a smaller division of Fuji Heavy Industries.)
4. The info I got from my VIN search apparently only applies to the US, not worldwide. So that was bogus.
5. So the plate looks legit after all. Still thinking the seller is sketchy tho.

If Vlad87 is monitoring this thread, perhaps you can fill us in.
Also, it does appear to have a 177mm bore.

Here is a pic of the Motoland bike:
https://hot-motors.com/motorcycles/c...and/wrx-250-nc

And in Russian:
https://motoland-russia.ru/katalog/m...rx-250-nc.html

Russian YT video. At 1:54 you can see the manufacturer name on the plate. It is Hangzhou Green Motor etc. I looked them up. Also, at 0:03 you can see the words WRX250NC on the right side cover, behind the number 12. So these Chinese companies seem to have a rather complicated relationship. Maybe market-related.


Another Russian YT video shows a 2019 model, which was air-cooled. Apparently they went LC in 2020.

[Dan-the-man]

Originally Posted by TominMO

Did a couple of hours of research this morning. I'll try to keep it brief. It's very twisty.

1. Under that manufacturer on the first line, the only motorcycles they list on their website are 50 cc - 150cc. They do have a 250cc ATV. All are under the Senke brand name.
2. The Regulmoto clue apparently refers to an importer, distributor or motorcycle company in Russia. I think they sell bikes from different manufacturers.
3. Motoland has a model called the WRX250NC, as on your plate. My best guess is that Motoland is a Russia/Ukraine-only brand name for the Chinese factory's bikes in those countries. (In the US a few decades ago, Nissan sold cars under the Datsun brand only for the US market. No idea why. And Kawasakis are a smaller division of Fuji Heavy Industries.)
4. The info I got from my VIN search apparently only applies to the US, not worldwide. So that was bogus.
5. So the plate looks legit after all. Still thinking the seller is sketchy tho.

If Vlad87 is monitoring this thread, perhaps you can fill us in.
Also, it does appear to have a 177mm bore.

Here is a pic of the Motoland bike:
https://hot-motors.com/motorcycles/c...and/wrx-250-nc

And in Russian:
https://motoland-russia.ru/katalog/m...rx-250-nc.html

Russian YT video. At 1:54 you can see the manufacturer name on the plate. It is Hangzhou Green Motor etc. I looked them up. Also, at 0:03 you can see the words WRX250NC on the right side cover, behind the number 12. So these Chinese companies seem to have a rather complicated relationship. Maybe market-related.


Another Russian YT video shows a 2019 model, which was air-cooled. Apparently they went LC in 2020.

Just to throw another spanned in the works. I googled khan motors. Found a Facebook page, bang theres my bike lol.
This was originally on the engine covers.

[TominMO]

Originally Posted by Dan-the-man

Just to throw another spanned in the works. I googled khan motors. Found a Facebook page, bang theres my bike lol.
This was originally on the engine covers.

So perhaps originally for the Indian market.

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_Noonien_Singh