Go Back   ChinaRiders Forums > Technical/Performance > Dual Sport/Enduro
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 06-16-2019, 11:31 PM   #16
OneLeggedRider   OneLeggedRider is offline
 
OneLeggedRider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Stockport, Oh.
Posts: 1,442
That's great news Dan, and you're definitely paving the way for others to follow, I hope you post up links, part numbers etc. Thank goodness for the tinkerers and performance enthusiasts lol.

I still like the plug and play of the Mikuni though, simple and straightforward. Did you run the Mikuni with your modded head?

Great video too, and you definitely look younger and nicer than your angry profile pic.


 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2019, 11:37 PM   #17
GronkFries   GronkFries is offline
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Maine
Posts: 111
I saw the side cover was on lol! Glad you are happy with that carb and love the power you have. I'm more familiar with air mixture, and once I have exhausted the novelty of the original fuel soaker pilot scheme this may be what I want.


 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2019, 11:49 PM   #18
Megadan   Megadan is offline
 
Megadan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 8,032
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneLeggedRider View Post
That's great news Dan, and you're definitely paving the way for others to follow, I hope you post up links, part numbers etc. Thank goodness for the tinkerers and performance enthusiasts lol.

I still like the plug and play of the Mikuni though, simple and straightforward. Did you run the Mikuni with your modded head?

Great video too, and you definitely look younger and nicer than your angry profile pic.
I didn't run the VM26 clone with the ported head, but there isn't much need to. As far as airflow capabilities are concerned, it is the same song, different dance, to the PZ30.

About the only part I used that isn't easy to find is the CQR250 intake.
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=581545449897

Taobao is the only place I have found to purchase it. It's about 6 bucks, plus another $6-8 to ship it. The issue is, I know many people aren't comfortable with buying via Taobao. If there is enough interest in them I would be glad to order a few of them.
__________________
Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331
2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1
2024 Royal Enfield Shotgun 650
https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=34124


 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2019, 07:48 AM   #19
JerryHawk250   JerryHawk250 is offline
Moderator
 
JerryHawk250's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Houma, La.
Posts: 11,574
Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadan View Post
If you plan on porting your head, definitely upgrade to a 30mm smooth bore.
I couldn't agree with you more. Makes all the difference in the world. When I was looking at the PE30 the price was right at $100. A little more than I wanted to spend at the time. The PWK30 works great too but if I had to do it all over again I would go with the PE30 because of the easier access to the idle speed and mixture screw. On mine with the shorter intake tube I can access them pretty easy but the PE30 is a way better option.
__________________
2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper
2023 Venom Evader
2022 Lifan KPX250
2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S
2004 Honda ST 1300
2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold)
Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster
2016 Cazador180 XL
2014 Coolster150
JerryHawk250.com
My YouTube Channel



Last edited by JerryHawk250; 06-17-2019 at 08:19 AM.
 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2019, 09:02 AM   #20
OneLeggedRider   OneLeggedRider is offline
 
OneLeggedRider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Stockport, Oh.
Posts: 1,442
With the carb setting further back and out did that pose any problems with the throttle cable and tank clearance?

Also with port matching wouldn't it be a good idea to have the CQR intake first?


 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2019, 10:46 AM   #21
Douglass   Douglass is offline
 
Douglass's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 375
Dan, thank you for posting your results. Now I just need to decide if I want the PWK30 or the PE30


 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2019, 11:00 AM   #22
JerryHawk250   JerryHawk250 is offline
Moderator
 
JerryHawk250's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Houma, La.
Posts: 11,574
Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglass View Post
Dan, thank you for posting your results. Now I just need to decide if I want the PWK30 or the PE30
Correct me if i'm wrong but does your intake angle to the left side of the bike? Which side of the carb has the easiest access? if it's the left side then go with the PKW30. Performance will be the same.
__________________
2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper
2023 Venom Evader
2022 Lifan KPX250
2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S
2004 Honda ST 1300
2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold)
Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster
2016 Cazador180 XL
2014 Coolster150
JerryHawk250.com
My YouTube Channel


 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2019, 01:10 PM   #23
Megadan   Megadan is offline
 
Megadan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 8,032
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneLeggedRider View Post
With the carb setting further back and out did that pose any problems with the throttle cable and tank clearance?

Also with port matching wouldn't it be a good idea to have the CQR intake first?
Yes, the CQR intake does cause a clearance issue with the fuel tank and the throttle cable. That is the one drawback to it. It still works, but the cable will rub against the tank some. I put a small section of vinyl on my tank in the area where the cable makes contact as a temporary solution. If you can run the shorter style intake, this isn't an issue. I would have preferred the shorter intake over the CQR one, but in my case I didn't have much of a choice. I am going to likely be making my own throttle cable in the near future so I can use an angled cable guide to work around this issue.
__________________
Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331
2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1
2024 Royal Enfield Shotgun 650
https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=34124


 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2019, 01:34 PM   #24
JerryHawk250   JerryHawk250 is offline
Moderator
 
JerryHawk250's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Houma, La.
Posts: 11,574
Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadan View Post
Yes, the CQR intake does cause a clearance issue with the fuel tank and the throttle cable. That is the one drawback to it. It still works, but the cable will rub against the tank some. I put a small section of vinyl on my tank in the area where the cable makes contact as a temporary solution. If you can run the shorter style intake, this isn't an issue. I would have preferred the shorter intake over the CQR one, but in my case I didn't have much of a choice. I am going to likely be making my own throttle cable in the near future so I can use an angled cable guide to work around this issue.
Dan, did you consider regrinding the angle on the Nibbi intake to adjust for clearance?
__________________
2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper
2023 Venom Evader
2022 Lifan KPX250
2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S
2004 Honda ST 1300
2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold)
Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster
2016 Cazador180 XL
2014 Coolster150
JerryHawk250.com
My YouTube Channel


 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2019, 01:39 PM   #25
Megadan   Megadan is offline
 
Megadan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 8,032
Quote:
Originally Posted by JerryHawk250 View Post
Dan, did you consider regrinding the angle on the Nibbi intake to adjust for clearance?
In my attempt to adjust for clearance with that intake it actually made other issues lol. Plus, it will have the same issues as the cqr intake due to its length if I did manage to angle it out more.
__________________
Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331
2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1
2024 Royal Enfield Shotgun 650
https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=34124


 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2019, 02:20 PM   #26
JerryHawk250   JerryHawk250 is offline
Moderator
 
JerryHawk250's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Houma, La.
Posts: 11,574
After looking at these two pictures It looks like they made a change in the frame design from the 2016 model or at least a difference in my hawk. I notice that the vertical tube frame ties in a few inches higher to the main frame than they do on my bike. That would explain why you having an issue with the intake I am using. Those vertical tubes tie in below the carb on my bike.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadan View Post
So, I got it installed. Good news is, any PZ30/VM26 clone cable will also work on this. I had to use the CQR intake, but it does work perfectly. Having the idle mixture and idle speed adjustment right there on the side is a HUGE convenience.



Bad news for me, the shorter intake was again a no go. I am going to assume that since I have a non factory head, the intake angle was machined more shallow than the Hawks. This is the same fitment issue I have had with the "angled carb adapters"




So with the 48 pilot installed it started right up, but it needs alost 3 turns out to hold a semi-steady idle, so the 48 is too rich, and the black smoke from the muffler when I blip it would agree. That said, it isn't too far off either, because when it was dead cold it idled great, and tapered off once it warmed up. Almost like running with the choke on. It would seem they were not kidding when they said it was a high velocity carb lol. Once the bike cools off a little more I am going to jump down to the 40 they included with it and see how that does.

Some research I did confirms this as well. More powerful 250's that came with a PE30 stock are using a 50 pilot jet.
__________________
2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper
2023 Venom Evader
2022 Lifan KPX250
2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S
2004 Honda ST 1300
2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold)
Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster
2016 Cazador180 XL
2014 Coolster150
JerryHawk250.com
My YouTube Channel


 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2019, 07:01 PM   #27
Megadan   Megadan is offline
 
Megadan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 8,032
Quote:
Originally Posted by JerryHawk250 View Post
After looking at these two pictures It looks like they made a change in the frame design from the 2016 model or at least a difference in my hawk. I notice that the vertical tube frame ties in a few inches higher to the main frame than they do on my bike. That would explain why you having an issue with the intake I am using. Those vertical tubes tie in below the carb on my bike.
That must be it. If that piece of the frame wasn't there I could probably just barely make it work. The aluminum Nibbi intake would work for sure if that bar was just a bit lower too.
__________________
Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331
2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1
2024 Royal Enfield Shotgun 650
https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=34124


 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2019, 03:16 PM   #28
G2ic22   G2ic22 is offline
 
G2ic22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 35
Just purchased the nibbi and a new head to port and polish. Cant wait to break out the porting kit and make this thing happen. Just hoping the head Jerryhawk250 got is the right one.


 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2019, 03:44 PM   #29
G2ic22   G2ic22 is offline
 
G2ic22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 35
Here it is fellas
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Screenshot_20190618-133404_Chrome.jpg (89.1 KB, 553 views)


 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2019, 12:08 PM   #30
G2ic22   G2ic22 is offline
 
G2ic22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 35
So I cant seem to find a way to get the CQR intake on the English taobao site. I've narrowed down these two going to buy both and even if I half to customize it as Long as it bolts to the head I'll find a way!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Screenshot_20190622-100718_eBay.jpg (92.6 KB, 502 views)
File Type: jpg Screenshot_20190622-100103_eBay.jpg (41.5 KB, 486 views)
__________________
"If there's no modifications it's not fast enough!!!!


Hawk250RedRyder2018
FlyRacing/D.I.D./ProTaper/JTSprockets/Nibbi30/DPR9EIX/PNP/KendaWashougal2/Acerbis/AlpinestarsTech5/HJC/.........TheRideContinues........RockyMountainHigh ..........LIFE ELEVATED!!!!


 
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:12 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.