on/off Rat build (with apologies to Doc's dirt rat LOL) - Page 10

gloud · 05-09-2012, 08:50 AM

I have an O-scope at home if you need readings off the running engine.

Weldangrind · 05-09-2012, 02:15 PM

Thanks! That's terrific.

An oscilloscope? Really? It might be faster for you to tell us what you don't have.

It looks like we have the same stator, although the black wire and the blank spot are reversed on my connector. I can't see that makes any difference, because the mating connector would have the appropriate wire in the spot.

If it isn't too much effort, can you tell me how the headlight is powered? It seems to me that there isn't a dedicated headlight coil, so I'm guessing that it's in parallel with the charging circuit, possibly with its own regulator. My stator came from a dirt bike that had no headlight, and all of the stator wires are accounted for. I'm not sure how it's done on a factory China DS.

gloud · 05-09-2012, 02:20 PM

The headlight is AC12V the tail light is too. the rest of the lights are DC and work when the engine is not running. I can get you the readings tonight if I think of it (I will just do it assigned to wire color. )

I brought a small Oscope home in case I needed it when I was redoing the wiring. Didn't need it but it is still at the shop so I can get the voltages and type for you. (I am in charge of a maint shop at a Computer science dept. )

I do have a ton of stuff crammed into the shop. I hope to either add an edition onto it or a separate building so I have some room. And update some of my higher end tools soon. (as soon as I get the money from mom's estate.)

I wish I lived closer to you guys You all sound like the type I can relate to. not many around these parts anymore.

Weldangrind · 05-09-2012, 02:26 PM

I don't need as much info as a scope provides. If you can simply tell me which wire goes to where and how the headlight and taillight are wired, that would be great!

gloud · 05-09-2012, 02:30 PM

Well the scope is nice sometimes as it is easy to use. (dedicated ground so you just have to use the probe. ) I will Mess around and see what I can figure out tonight or tomorrow am. Hopefully the rain will let up some so I can ride to work tomorrow.

gloud · 05-09-2012, 02:45 PM

this looks right..

Weldangrind · 05-09-2012, 09:50 PM

I presume that's what you used, although the stator colours are different.

I know it's my middle aged eyes, but that schematic is really hard to read, unless I zoom in a lot.

gloud · 05-10-2012, 05:55 AM

You need to borrow my tri-focals LOL... I was digging around to find a real schematic on the web and this looks mostly correct. notice they use the connection to the voltage regulator for the AC headlight and taillight.
(the yellow wire) and blinkers and brake lights are run from the DC side.

Weldangrind · 05-10-2012, 01:04 PM

If it isn't too much trouble, I'd still be grateful for your layout. There is certainly no rush.

gloud · 05-10-2012, 02:30 PM

I'll try to get to it tonight I wasn't feeling too good last night.

gloud · 05-22-2012, 09:26 AM

Just an update last sunday I went on a dual sport run through the berkshires.
130 miles on the actual run (plus another 80 to get there and back) She ran great and did good on the offroad sections, defiantly need to get taller bars on it but otherwise I am going to leave things as they are. I was photographed everywhere I stopped. I rode most of it with a guy with a xr650L and had no problem keeping up with him even on the pavement sections.

FastDoc · 05-22-2012, 11:28 AM

Lovely bike and beautiful country to ride in. I rode mountain bikes in that area years ago and loved it.

That old XL sure is a classy bike. I can see why it gets so much attention. :P

SpudRider · 05-22-2012, 03:00 PM

You did a superb job restoring the XL185. Please do post more photographs from your ride; your bike looks great!

Spud

gloud · 05-23-2012, 11:28 AM

I only have a few more from the start, I was too busy Riding to take many pics. (130 Miles for the run and another 80 travelling to home and to the event.) I was on the bike from 7 till 4:30 My thigh muscles are just now feeling better.

Let me know If I should knock them down in size a little.

FastDoc · 05-23-2012, 11:48 AM

Great pics. Great lookin, large, and eclectic group.

That KLR in th 1st pic is identical to my first. I forget the year. 1992?

05-09-2012, 02:15 PM	#137
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Thanks! That's terrific. An oscilloscope? Really? It might be faster for you to tell us what you don't have. It looks like we have the same stator, although the black wire and the blank spot are reversed on my connector. I can't see that makes any difference, because the mating connector would have the appropriate wire in the spot. If it isn't too much effort, can you tell me how the headlight is powered? It seems to me that there isn't a dedicated headlight coil, so I'm guessing that it's in parallel with the charging circuit, possibly with its own regulator. My stator came from a dirt bike that had no headlight, and all of the stator wires are accounted for. I'm not sure how it's done on a factory China DS. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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05-09-2012, 02:26 PM	#139
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	I don't need as much info as a scope provides. If you can simply tell me which wire goes to where and how the headlight and taillight are wired, that would be great! __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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05-09-2012, 09:50 PM	#142
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	I presume that's what you used, although the stator colours are different. I know it's my middle aged eyes, but that schematic is really hard to read, unless I zoom in a lot. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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05-10-2012, 01:04 PM	#144
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	If it isn't too much trouble, I'd still be grateful for your layout. There is certainly no rush. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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05-22-2012, 11:28 AM	#147
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	Lovely bike and beautiful country to ride in. I rode mountain bikes in that area years ago and loved it. That old XL sure is a classy bike. I can see why it gets so much attention. :P __________________ Happy to serve.
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05-09-2012, 08:50 AM	#136
gloud Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Westhampton Mass USA Posts: 155	I have an O-scope at home if you need readings off the running engine.
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05-09-2012, 02:20 PM	#138
gloud Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Westhampton Mass USA Posts: 155	The headlight is AC12V the tail light is too. the rest of the lights are DC and work when the engine is not running. I can get you the readings tonight if I think of it (I will just do it assigned to wire color. ) I brought a small Oscope home in case I needed it when I was redoing the wiring. Didn't need it but it is still at the shop so I can get the voltages and type for you. (I am in charge of a maint shop at a Computer science dept. ) I do have a ton of stuff crammed into the shop. I hope to either add an edition onto it or a separate building so I have some room. And update some of my higher end tools soon. (as soon as I get the money from mom's estate.) I wish I lived closer to you guys You all sound like the type I can relate to. not many around these parts anymore.
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05-09-2012, 02:30 PM	#140
gloud Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Westhampton Mass USA Posts: 155	Well the scope is nice sometimes as it is easy to use. (dedicated ground so you just have to use the probe. ) I will Mess around and see what I can figure out tonight or tomorrow am. Hopefully the rain will let up some so I can ride to work tomorrow.
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05-09-2012, 02:45 PM	#141
gloud Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Westhampton Mass USA Posts: 155	this looks right..
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05-10-2012, 05:55 AM	#143
gloud Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Westhampton Mass USA Posts: 155	You need to borrow my tri-focals LOL... I was digging around to find a real schematic on the web and this looks mostly correct. notice they use the connection to the voltage regulator for the AC headlight and taillight. (the yellow wire) and blinkers and brake lights are run from the DC side.
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05-10-2012, 02:30 PM	#145
gloud Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Westhampton Mass USA Posts: 155	I'll try to get to it tonight I wasn't feeling too good last night.
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05-22-2012, 09:26 AM	#146
gloud Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Westhampton Mass USA Posts: 155	Just an update last sunday I went on a dual sport run through the berkshires. 130 miles on the actual run (plus another 80 to get there and back) She ran great and did good on the offroad sections, defiantly need to get taller bars on it but otherwise I am going to leave things as they are. I was photographed everywhere I stopped. I rode most of it with a guy with a xr650L and had no problem keeping up with him even on the pavement sections.
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05-22-2012, 03:00 PM	#148
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	You did a superb job restoring the XL185. Please do post more photographs from your ride; your bike looks great! Spud __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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05-23-2012, 11:28 AM	#149
gloud Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Westhampton Mass USA Posts: 155	I only have a few more from the start, I was too busy Riding to take many pics. (130 Miles for the run and another 80 travelling to home and to the event.) I was on the bike from 7 till 4:30 My thigh muscles are just now feeling better. Let me know If I should knock them down in size a little.
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05-23-2012, 11:48 AM	#150
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	Great pics. Great lookin, large, and eclectic group. That KLR in th 1st pic is identical to my first. I forget the year. 1992? __________________ Happy to serve.
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