What oil?

[Citroenjunkie]

Originally Posted by sqwert

I'd rather pay $10 more for the right oil than cheap out on my motorcycle, which is so much better than a woman. Simple facts are I know dozens of people who have used the wrong oil and wasted engines in all sorts of machines, from lawn mowers to cars, trucks, busses, semis, boats, airplanes, even motorcycles. Many didn't even change brand. Use the right oil or risk the consequences.

My dad always said oil is cheaper than engines.

I'm surprised no-one mentions Motul. I just did a search and discovered they're French so perhaps not common in the USA. If you are interested Motul makes a huge range of products for all sorts of engines
https://www.motul.com/nz/en

My brother races a variety of classic two strokes and has used the product for years without ever having an engine break.

On the oil change frequesncy my bike had its first at 500km and second at 1000km I have no idea what the oil was, other than very black and runny.

[Hawk 229cc]

Originally Posted by Citroenjunkie

My dad always said oil is cheaper than engines.

I'm surprised no-one mentions Motul. I just did a search and discovered they're French so perhaps not common in the USA. If you are interested Motul makes a huge range of products for all sorts of engines
https://www.motul.com/nz/en

My brother races a variety of classic two strokes and has used the product for years without ever having an engine break.

On the oil change frequesncy my bike had its first at 500km and second at 1000km I have no idea what the oil was, other than very black and runny.

it was likely the china junk in there if you did not change it,before first start up an this was your first change ,if there was no harm done bike runs better should be fine ,an oil for wet clutches work best ,like said i used to sf 10 w 40 motorcycle oil,or motor cycle oil ,many guys have said they got good use of 15 w 40 no matter wich brand ,like said even regular car oil some use ,from 10 w 40 15 w 40 an alot of guys down south use 20 w 50 ,

motul i am sure is just a rebranded oil from your country i never heard of it hear in the states dont meen its not hear though under the name rotella, reality is there as many opinions of oil as there are people who think wich is the right one to use ,i would just say no syn in the hawk till after break in ,just makes sence to be ,with oil guys are going to use what they want an have sucesess with many different oils.


so we are all just giving an opinion ,like the guy above kinda contradicts his post ,more then half the guys hear use 15w40 Diesel oil an works just fine ,you should be fine we can only say what we use

[Juanro]

Originally Posted by Hawk 229cc

motul i am sure is just a rebranded oil

Motul is a french brand, and here in Argentina is regarded (by some people, at least) as one of the best motorcycle oils.

[Gh426]

Found this here http://www.motorcycleanchor.com/moto...to/mc_oil.html

API CLASS RATINGS APPLICABLE TO MOTORCYCLES:
SA through SE OBSOLETE -- Use SF/SG or SH unless you find motorcycle oil which still meets the original rating that your bike calls for in the owner's manual. I am not familiar with any SA/SB/SC/SD/SE rated oils still on the market, but there may be some available for special vintage class bikes (bikes built between 1910 and 1970).

SF & SG TECHNICALLY OBSOLETE FOR CARS, BUT STILL IN COMMON USE FOR MOTORCYCLE OILS -- You can find motorcycle oil which still meets the SF/SG rating (such as offerings from Castrol, Mobil, Royal Purple, Amsoil, Bellray, Motorex, Motul, Repsoil, etc). If your bike calls for that in the owner's manual, there are still a large number of motorcycle-specific motor oils on the market that are SF/SG rated, including every motorcycle oil which meets the full JASO-MA specification. Most current motorcycle engines still call for SF/SG rated motor oils. If you can not find an SF/SG rated oil and that is the rating called for, use an SH or SH+SJ rated oil -- but do not use API SJ, SL or SM!

SH Technically obsolete. This oil specification is used by some motorcycle manufacturers, and you can still find many SH rated motorcycle oils on the market. Do not use if your motorcycle calls for API SJ/SL/SM rated oils (only a few do).

SJ Technically obsolete. For 2001 and older automobile engines. An "Energy Conserving" motor oil (something good for late model cars, not most motorcycles). Note that this standard reduces the phosphorus contents of the motor oil, which is not necessarily a desirable reduction for most motorcycle engines. Check your motorcycle owner's manual specifically for recommendation of an SJ-rated motor oil before using it in your motorcycle, or stick to using SF/SG-rated, SH-rated or dual-rated (SH+SJ) motorcycle oils instead. Do not use unless an API SJ rating is specifically called for by your motorcycle manufacturer.

SL Technically obsolete. For 6/2001 - 11/2004 automobile engines. An "Energy Conserving" motor oil (something good for late model cars, not most motorcycles). Note that this standard reduces the ZDDP (zinc and phosphorus) additive contents of the motor oil even further than SJ rated motor oils, which is not a desirable reduction for most motorcycle engines. Check your motorcycle owner's manual specifically for recommendation of an SJ or SL rated motor oil before using an API SL rated oil in your motorcycle! Do not use unless an API SJ or API SL rating is specifically called for by your motorcycle manufacturer.

SM NEW/Current. For all 12/2004 and later automobile engines.

An "Energy Conserving" motor oil (something good for late model cars, not most motorcycles). The API increased the standards for anti-foaming, increased detergent levels, and improved low-temp performance, while lowering the ZDDP package contents again. API SM now replaces API SJ and API SL -- but SM-rated oil is still not suitable for most motorcycle engines (just as SJ and SL rated ones weren't), especially virtually every air-cooled, oil-cooled and air-oil cooled motorcycle engines and ANY motorcycle engine designed prior to 2001 (such as Suzuki Katana 600/750/1100, Suzuki Bandit 600/1100/1200). Check your motorcycle owner's manual specifically for recommendation of an SJ/SL/SM rated motor oil before using API SM rated oils in your motorcycle! Do not use unless an API SJ, SL or SM rating is specifically called for by your motorcycle manufacturer.

[sqwert]

Originally Posted by Gh426

Found this here http://www.motorcycleanchor.com/moto...to/mc_oil.html

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Such info has been on line for 20 years, but yours is actually current. Lots out there is obsolete. Such rapid technology advances are why I no longer post such details--reading such stuff interferes with riding time. Another funny thing is Rotella isn't even properly rated on this system. Rotella is a commercial oil and its rating begins with a "C", not "S". Dump it in your engine and your warranty is void.

Hawk 229cc wrote, "so we are all just giving an opinion ,like the guy above kinda contradicts his post ,more then half the guys hear use 15w40 Diesel oil an works just fine ,you should be fine we can only say what we use"

90% of never married American male adults and 75% of never married American female adults have sexual experience before their 20th birthdays and about 35% have sexual transmitted disease. I'm sure their lubricants work fine, too. That type of reasoning, Hawk 229cc, will fail almost every time. Especially this time.


I have 4 TW200s. All bought used, low miles, broken in on dino oil. I've used Mobil 1 Racing 4t, had to replace a leaking base gasket at 58,000+ miles. The cylinder looked just honed, got a quick 2 passes, new rings. The other 3 had previous owners who were cheapskates and used Rotella. All three showed way worse wear than my original, and they had about 3500, 4750, and 5500 miles on them. Still, the Rotella lubed bikes still looked better than any of the hundreds of others I've rebuilt that only got dino oil, but there was a definite and consistent difference between Mobil 1 Racing 4T and Rotella wear rates. The worst was the one with lowest miles that saw a lot of very cold weather cold starts and I'm wondering if the extra 5 in the cold viscosity rating caused that.

CSC's website says,"The RX-3 takes 1.7 quarts of 5W-40 or 10W-40 motorcycle oil. That’s one quart and about 24 ounces of oil. Don’t use car oil or any oil with “friction inhibitors” because this will cause the clutch to slip. ... We recommend using non-synthetic oil on the first oil change, and then switching to Mobil 4T synthetic motorcycle oil at the 1000-mile mark."

Note the picture of Lupe putting oil in a bike shows a container with the word "motorcycle" on it. Got that?

Mobil 1 Racing 4T is the proper name for CSC's recommended oil. It is APA rated SH if you get the old stuff. The new stuff is SJ. Using this oil in our motorcycles is good, according to Gh426's info.

I'm through with this forum after Hawk 229cc's personal attack so well wishes to the rest.

[pyoungbl]

Originally Posted by sqwert

I'm through with this forum after Hawk 229cc's personal attack so well wishes to the rest.

sqwert, you can always start your own forum.