New Zongshen RX3 (ZS250GY-3) Dual Sport

[CSCDude]

Originally Posted by 3banger

You could regain someone of the sharper handeling by dropping the forks in the triple clamps a bit. Will the 19" wheels be availbe to order and be delivered a long with the stock 18" wheels?

I guessed 4 of the 5 last night and was thinking bigger front wheel but just kept thinking a 21" would look lot bigger. Never occured to think 19", but thanks for the entertaining back and fourth Joe!

The owner ship experience for the RX-3 is proving to quite unique in all good ways and we don't even have the bike yet! Joe once this bike starts getting high visabulity with a bunch of us early adopters running around the back roads I hope CSC is prepared to grow!

Thanks for your kind words. Lots of emails last night. It was fun.

The 19-inch wheel kits will be available to order with the bike. We'll post a price shortly.

We are prepared to grow and we are very excited about this motorcycle. It's one of the coolest projects I've ever been involved with.

[G19Tony]

Originally Posted by CSCDude

Tony:

Good question and thanks for asking it.

I spoke with the engineers at Zongshen when I was there a few weeks ago, and the short answer is yes, there was more discussion, but no, we are not going to pursue it.

The Zongshen engineers convinced me that this is not a good way to go. There are more than a few issues associated with the BMW concept of lacing the spokes on an outer lip to run tubeless tires, and we both decided we did not want to pursue this approach. The issues include increased cost, increased difficulty in mounting/dismounting tires (not a good idea for the kind of riding that may require fixing flats in the middle of nowhere), challenges in keeping the wheels trued, and more. For the foreseeable future, we're going to run wire wheels and tubes.

Joe

Thanks for the quick reply Joe. I appreciate it. Those all sound like good reasons not to pursue that project.

[thillskier]

I mean, for example, look at this THREAD!! WOW!!
There is a LOT of interest in this bike for sure! My feeling, honestly, is there are a WHOLE LOT of fence sitters out there that as soon as we take delivery, ride some distances, and post up in here the bikes area "as advertised", the dam will break on sales, Joe. I seriously believe that, and thatmmanaging the groth will be your biggest obstacle long run, for success. If I knew the "whole story" I might not be concerned at all. Rapid growth can be very difficult to grow with, IMHO (and in my businesses I('ve) own(ed).

The honesty re everyone and everything to do with the bike (and ownership, maintainance w/o dealers, etc, ALL are very refreshing, to me. Thanks a LOT, Joe, and everyone at CSC.
Also, Thank you also, Quadz and Spud, for an excellent forum, and "voice" for all things RX-3. GREAT job, guys. Seriously.

[SpudRider]

Originally Posted by thillskier

...Thank you also, Quadz and Spud, for an excellent forum, and "voice" for all things RX-3. GREAT job, guys. Seriously.

Thank you for your kind words.

[SpudRider]

CSCDude,

I like your avatar.

[SpudRider]

Originally Posted by G19Tony

Thanks for the quick reply Joe. I appreciate it. Those all sound like good reasons not to pursue that project.

Indeed, the only option I might consider for spoked motorcycle wheels is the Nuetech TuBliss system.

http://nuetech.com/tubliss/#sthash.VG4xZUWd.dpbs



However, I much prefer using inner tubes, so I am not going to switch to the TuBliss system.

[SpudRider]

Three hours ago the Hanjin Germany was sailing northeast at 14.5 knots. The vessel was offshore the Kuril island of Urup.



Yesterday, a 4.6 magnitude earthquake occurred in this area.

http://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/....php?id=429118

The Germany is sailing along the Kurile Trench of the Pacific Ring of Fire, and is heading next for the Aleutian Trench.



Here are some photographs of Urup, courtesy of Google Earth.

[SpudRider]

A few people have complained about the size and shape of the right side pannier. I think this pannier will make an excellent, large tool box. It can hold a spare inner tube and a nice, large tool kit. In addition, it's a good place to stash snacks and your rain gear.

[FTEY]

Originally Posted by SpudRider

A few people have complained about the size and shape of the right side pannier. I think this pannier will make an excellent, large tool box. It can hold a spare inner tube and a nice, large tool kit. In addition, it's a good place to stash snacks and your rain gear.

Yup. Ma rain gear is sitting nicely in there.

[NoVa Rider]

Now that I can see the inside of the right pannier, its less going to be much than the 18.5 liters I guesstimated based on Joe's exterior measurements. And I see why Joe did not attempt to figure the interior volume of the stock luggage: too many bends and indentations.

I should wait until I get my RX-3 and see how I use it before making a luggage purchase. Still, presuming I will stick with the stock hard luggage, I am surfing options for a duffle to strap on the seat, and use for light camping trips.

Right now the medium Nelson Rigg Survivor tail bag looks possible. About 40 liters, waterproof, about $60 with shipping, and its available in an orange color that might/might go with the RX-3 orange/yellow color option.

[Xtyling]

I plan on keeping both side plastic side boxes. I will change the top box to the Givi Trekker 52L box (if compatible).

[katflap]

perhaps this gives an idea of space . Size 9 (US) boot I can get the other one in upside down and shut the lid.

With the pannier next to the exhaust it might keep your fish & chips warm on the way home




Have been trying to get the torque settings together in one place but the different manuals quite often have different torques for the same thing.This is what I've got so far.

 ******************************************************************** RX3 INFO AND TORQUE SETTINGS 1a *************************************************************************
 ******************************************************************** NO GUARANTEE OF ACCURACY, USE AT OWN RISK !! *****************************************************
  
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                                                     Some sources stated different torque values so an alternative torque is given 
                                                  ------------------------------katflap--------------------------------------------------
  
 Headlight bulb       HS1 35/35w
  
 Tyres
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 Front                100/90-18    225 kpa   (32.6 psi)
 Rear                 130/90-15    250 kpa   (36.2 psi)
  
 Chain slack          10mm - 25mm    (alternative slack 15mm-25mm)
  
 Coolant level        The level of coolant is correct when it is at the bottom of the filler neck    (alternative, 5mm below the top)
  
  
 Engine               ZS177MM-P
  
 Idle                 1500 ± 100 RPM
  
 Valve clearance      INLET – 0,05mm / EXHAUST – 0,08mm         (alternative 0.04mm to 0.06mm inlet & exhaust)
  
 Engine oil           SJ 5W/40         (alternative 10w/40)
  
 Spark plug           CHAMPION RG6YC or NGK CR8E   0.6 - 0.7 mm   Torque 11Nm (8.1 ftlbs)
  
 
 
 
Engine oil drain plug (M14)              25Nm (18.4 ftlbs)     (alternative 15Nm , 11 ftlbs)
 Main oil filter cover bolts (M5)         8 Nm (5.9 ftlbs)      (alternative 10.8Nm  8 ftlbs / 12Nm , 8.8 ftlbs / 17.5Nm , 12.9 ftlbs)
 Oil strainer plug left crankcase (M20)   13.5Nm (10 lbsft)     (alternative 10nm , 7.3 ftlbs)
 Oil strainer plug right crankcase (M20)  13.5Nm (10 lbsft)     (alternative 10nm , 7.3 ftlbs)
  
 
sprocket cover bolts                     16.2Nm  (12 ftlbs)
 sprocket bolt                            48.6Nm  (36 ftlbs)     (alternative 55Nm , 40.5 ftlbs)
  
 Ignition (generator) cover bolt (M6)     10Nm    (7.4 ftlbs)
 clutch cover bolts (M6)                  10.8Nm  (8 ftlbs)
 water pump bolts                         9.4Nm   (7 ftlbs)
 Inlet duct (manifold) (M6)               10Nm    (7.4 ftlbs)
 Exhaust nut (m8)                         20.2Nm  (15 ftlbs)      (alternative 13Nm , 9.6 ftlbs)
 Crankcase bolt (M6)                      10Nm    (7.4 ftlbs)
 Gearshift pedal bolt (M6)                10Nm    (7.4 ftlbs)
  
 Cylinder head bolt                       38Nm    (28 ftlbs)
 Cylinder head bolt (M6)                  10Nm    (7.4 ftlbs)
 Cylinder bolt (M10)                      50nm    (36.9 ftlbs)
 Rotor nut (M14)                          80-90Nm (59-66.3 ftlbs)
 Primary nut (M18)                        110 Nm  (81 ftlbs)
 Clutch spring bolts (M5)                 8Nm     (5.9 ftlbs)
 Balance shaft nut (M16)                  80-90Nm (59-66.3 ftlbs)
 Crankshaft nut (M24)                     80-90Nm (59-66.3 ftlbs)
  
 Locknut of main pipe (M24)               25~35Nm (18.4-25.8 ftlbs)
 Fixed bolt of handlebar (M10)            50~60Nm (36.9-44.2 ftlbs)
 handle bar clamp bolts (hex head M8)     28~32Nm (20.6-23.6 ftlbs)
 Front axle nut (M14)                     70~80Nm (51.6-59.0 ftlbs)
 Front axle flange bolts (clamp) (M8)     18~25Nm (13.3-18.4 ftlbs)
 Rear axle nut (M14)                      70~80Nm (51.6-59.0 ftlbs)
 Engine suspension bolt (M10)             45~55Nm (33.2-40.5 ftlbs)
 Fixed nut of rear shock absorber (M10)   45~55Nm (33.2-40.5 ftlbs)
 Locknut of chain wheel (M8)              28~32Nm (20.6-23.6 ftlbs)
 Nut of rear rocker arm (M12)             50~60Nm (36.9-44.2 ftlbs)
 fork shaft nut (M12)                     55~65Nm (40.5-47.9 ftlbs)
 fork shaft nut (M10)                     45~55Nm (33.2-40.5 ftlbs)
  
 Engine mount (top)                       35Nm    (26 ftlbs)
 engine mount (middle)                    40.5Nm  (30 ftlbs)
 engine mount (low )                      40.5Nm  (30 ftlbs)
  
  
  
 Pannier & top box frame and pannier boxes
 M8×85
M8x80
M8x60
M8x40
M8x35
M8×20
 M6×35
M6×20
 
           18~25Nm  (13.3-18.4 ftlbs)
  
 Front protection bars
 
M8×50
M8×45
M8×16
 
          18~25Nm  (13.3-18.4 ftlbs)

[thillskier]

Nelson Rigg bag, Nova? Seems like a bargain for that size at $60.00, also! Thanks for sharing about it. I have been looking for one (and options for a tank bag as well). Have signed up for the CSC one, but am still looking, as I have never had one on any of my bikes in the past.

[Weldangrind]

Originally Posted by katflap

With the pannier next to the exhaust it might keep your fish & chips warm on the way home

So, fish and chips in the right pannier, your favourite pint in the left pannier. Got it.

[Weldangrind]

I might be interested in pannier take-offs, in case someone out there chooses to upgrade to something else. I'll continue to use my JC Whitney trunk.