Another toy "maybe"

[pete]

Fingers crossed...
I might have my long wanted trials bike as long as no prat
out bids me... Its dirt cheap..At the moment..
97 Gas Gas JTX250.. A bit old... But its way more capable
than what I am...
Thr guy said it needs a new kick start lever & fork seals...



By petenz at 2012-04-13

[MICRider]

Cool bike! I know nothing about trials bikes, are they all liquid cooled?

[Weldangrind]

Those are awesome! My good friend has an early 90's Beta, and it's a terrific machine.

The seller of that bike should change his user name. I'm sure it's Crazy Big Al, but it can also be read as Crazy Bi Gal. 8O

[FastDoc]

Great fun.

I recently screwed around on a Montessa. They handle like a mountain goat. A guy can have a lot of fun on one of those at like 5 MPH. :P

[SpudRider]

Good luck, Pete! Let us know if you win the auction.

Spud

[katoranger]

That is something I what to try. I think most trials bikes are 2 stroke liquid cooled. At least modern designed models.

[MICRider]

Originally Posted by katoranger

That is something I what to try. I think most trials bikes are 2 stroke liquid cooled. At least modern designed models.

I guess with the low speeds that the trials bikes usually run the liquid cooling would be an asset, but why 2 stroke? Would I be correct in assuming it's to keep the weight as low as possible?

[pete]

Originally Posted by MICRider

I guess with the low speeds that the trials bikes usually run the liquid cooling would be an asset, but why 2 stroke? Would I be correct in assuming it's to keep the weight as low as possible?

O God here goes...

Contray to the common beleif a 2 stroke will produce far
MORE bottom end power than a 4 stroke if it's tuned for it..
And far more top end power if it's tuned for it... But can not
be tuned for both at the same time.. A 4 stroke can put
out a good amount of both bottom & top end power at thr same time..

And a 2 stroke will rev LOWER than a 4 stroke of the same
cc puting out the same hp.. ( 2t sound as they are reving as they
are fireing twice as often)
Compaire the red lines off the 250 4T GSXR/ZXR/FZR around 17,000rpm
= 8,500 power strokes per minute..
to the 2T KR/TZR/RGV around 12,000 = 12,000 power strokes
per minute.... the 2 strokes are way faster..

[MICRider]

Thanks for the explanation Pete . As I said, I don't know anything about trials bikes, I was just guessing it was a weight thing.

[FastDoc]

The Montessa I rode was a 2 stroke, about 300cc. I have ridden a lot of 2 strokes, including the aforementioned RGV Gamma. Now there's a bike, but that's a different story...)

The Montessa was like a diesl. Strong grunt off the bottom a little midrange then flat. The opposite of what we usually think. Gearing may have something to do with it.

[pete]

Originally Posted by FastDoc

The Montessa I rode was a 2 stroke, about 300cc. I have ridden a lot of 2 strokes, including the aforementioned RGV Gamma. Now there's a bike, but that's a different story...)

The Montessa was like a diesl. Strong grunt off the bottom a little midrange then flat. The opposite of what we usually think. Gearing may have something to do with it.

Think the bike yer rode would have been a Montessa 315 Cota ?

Now Montessa "Honda" do have a 4T trials bike .
Thats where the Honda TLM 2T trials bikes came from
in the 90s..

The new Ossa trials bike is fuel injected with the barrel turned
around... pipe out the rear & throtle body at the front..

The GasGas is still with in my prise range..but climbing , bugger it :( ..

[FastDoc]

That's it! I didn't remember.

[pete]

A sad day :(

The GasGas went for $900 more than I
had to spend.......

O well..another will come along...

[SpudRider]

I wish you better luck next time, Pete.

Spud

[FastDoc]

Originally Posted by pete

A sad day :(

The GasGas went for $900 more than I
had to spend.......

O well..another will come along...

Think of the money you saved! :P