05-21-2019, 11:44 AM | #16 |
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Out of curiosity what was the price on that unit, mjstef?
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05-21-2019, 11:48 AM | #17 | |
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05-21-2019, 12:29 PM | #18 |
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Ok thanks!
I misunderstood then, I thought the oil was circulating from bottom of the cooler to the top not top to bottom and that fixes the oil strainer issue I made in my mind. |
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05-21-2019, 12:43 PM | #19 |
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I am on the fence with the oil cooler, I understand the benefits of longer oil life and more oil for particles to get trapped in, but has anyone overheated their 229's to need a cooler?
I'm just thinking that adding more points of possible oil leaks on the trail may not be worth it especially if you change your oil more often. Is this just a solution to a non problem or does this really benefit the engine and outweigh the one con I can think of? |
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05-21-2019, 12:46 PM | #20 |
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One thing to be said, the Amazon cooler is very nice and my synthetic oil still hasn’t turned black from install 1,100 miles ago. The little cooler does it’s job really well for durn sure.
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05-21-2019, 12:53 PM | #21 |
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If i was to order 50 at once i could sell them for $99 and make around $8-$10 each after shipping. Wasn't worth laying the $3,800 to order them in......
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05-21-2019, 01:16 PM | #22 | |
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05-21-2019, 01:25 PM | #23 | |
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05-21-2019, 02:05 PM | #24 |
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I had the same questions about the necessity of the oil cooler. Because my little Fourtrax 200D idles and putts around in the woods at 5mph for hours at a time, and has been doing so for 25yrs with the original factory spark plug. I've never done anything to it other than change the oil, and clean the carb every few years. That being said it's probably the most dependable motor Honda ever produced and was engineered to be bulletproof.
However I do plan on putting a cooler on the Hawk just because of fiddling with the airbox, exhaust, and carb. It seems no matter what I do it's still running a little lean so I figure a cooler engine temp couldn't hurt. |
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05-21-2019, 06:40 PM | #25 |
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It was already stated, but I will second that it extends oil life. More importantly, stable oil temps also mean the oil retains it's shear and film strength and can do its job better. Better clutch life, bearing life, etc. Is it absolutely necessary? Not really. Does it help? Absolutely. These engines are pretty harsh to oil, and the engine temps might not seem extreme the oil is retaining a lot of the heat, so giving it a place to shed it from outside the cases really helps.
While it can help with low speed engine temps to a degree, the coolers wont do much at low speed unless you put a fan on it with a thermostatic switch. One area it does make a difference is pushing the engines hard at higher speeds, especially on hot days. The reduced clutch fade is a rather nice addition as well. Also keep in mind there is another type of cooler out there that can be used, which is the valve cover style. This is a pressurized cooler system that takes the feed going to the head, sends it to a cooler, and then back to the head.
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05-22-2019, 10:59 AM | #27 | |
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Most of the owners of the CG xxx run the first 625 miles (in metric countries the first oil change is done at the 1000 km mark) with the factory oil no problem. Sames goes with the brake fluid, until it turns brown they keep using it. They run the torch branded spark plug for like forever. I will speak for myself, i do most of the mods because i like to work on mechanical things. Plus i know that the motorcycle that i put on the motorcycle better parts that will make things a bit better. Hell i even know people, that put an original crf 230 piston on their cg 230. Same diameter and same pin diameter. TLDR: Not needed but a nice thing to have. |
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05-22-2019, 11:07 AM | #28 |
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I decided to get the oil cooler from Amazon, when I use my Hawk for work commute it gets to scream at 8k rpm for 25 miles one way. Just to keep the oil stability for longer, it is worth it.
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05-22-2019, 10:58 PM | #29 |
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I have the same cooler as Chiptoothy it seems. It is a 125ml capacity cooler, and with the volume of the lines included it takes about 250-300ml of oil on top of the roughly 1.2-ish quarts the bike already takes. Basically adding about 25% more capacity to the system. I mounted mine up about as high as it can go, both on the bike physically, and the limit of the cooler lines as well.
The fender previously being spaced down at the rear mounts about 5mm bought it just enough room for the cooler to fit there. Yes, the fender is going to block some airflow to the cooler, but enough of the core gets airflow as it is that it doesn't harm it's ability to cool. I do have a fender I plan to buy in the future that has slots in that part of the fender that should aid with airflow there if I decide it needs it. Even with 50 degree air temps that cooler gets quite warm. A big advantage of this cooler location is that it doesn't block any airflow to the engine itself. I also noticed my idle get much more consistent. I can only assume my cylinder head temps are more stable as well. If you plan on bumping up the compression then I would definitely recommend some type of oil cooling. At least the valve cover style.
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