2 cycle area?

Reveeen · 12-31-2010, 01:06 PM

I know that 2 cycle stuff is on the "outs", but I *think* a 2 cycle area would be a bonus.

frostbite · 01-31-2011, 06:35 AM

Sorry I didn't respond sooner.

I'd like to hear opinions, but wouldn't the 2-stroke discussion be covered in the bike specific forums? (e.g. 2-stroke dirt bike, ATV's, etc...).

Weldangrind · 01-31-2011, 11:01 AM

I can see the benefit of a tech-specific (rather than machine-specific) two stroke area.

BillR · 02-06-2011, 04:18 PM

Can you check the numbers of topics?
Have those related to 2-stroke questions in stated in the subject area..."2-Stroke".
See how much 2-stroke traffic there may be.

I agree with the tech specific instead of just bikes.
It would make it easier to find answers or post information.
Bill R

Weldangrind · 02-06-2011, 04:36 PM

The search function doesn't always tell the whole story with this forum software.

I agree that a tech-specific two-stroke section would be easier to navigate. That way, when Mr. Reveeen (or whomever) posts an informational topic about reed valves, I can find it.

katoranger · 02-06-2011, 05:34 PM

Is there much china 2-stroke? The only things I have seen are pocket bikes and a few 50cc scooters.

Weldangrind · 02-06-2011, 08:20 PM

Does it have to be China-only? Maybe it could be a sub category within Other Stuff.

Jim · 02-07-2011, 02:46 AM

Unfortunately I believe that is not an option with this forum software either.

katoranger · 02-07-2011, 07:37 AM

A 2-stroke open to all makes would be fun. I was looking at some detroit diesels to stick into my ranger. :wink:

Reveeen · 02-07-2011, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by katoranger

I was looking at some detroit diesels to stick into my ranger. :wink:

A Deutz, or a Thermo King (Mercedes) diesel might be a better option (size AND weight). I like the idea of a Thermo King, because they ARE everywhere, and the newer ones are quite light. A Detroit 53 series is really better suited for a 3/4-1 ton.

katoranger · 02-07-2011, 11:10 AM

That is what I am finding.

Need to research the thermo king options.

Reveeen · 02-07-2011, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by katoranger

Need to research the thermo king options.

The early Thermo King reefers use a 4 cylinder Mercedes Diesel that was found in the 100 series cars from the 60's. It was "tricked out" with a huge oil pan (8 gallons), and 2 huge oil filters, for almost non-stop running between services. In the late 70's the injection pumps were made in Japan under Bosch license, until the middle 80's where the entire units started being made in Japan under license, it was at this time I started noticing aluminum blocks (probably with steel dry liners).

Carrier reefers have always used Kubota (Japan) diesel engines.

The trick is going to be locating a 100 series Mercedes car from the 60's for the transmission (auto, or standard) that, combined with the flywheel, and starter, will give you a package to install.

Horsepower is around 40.

Weldangrind · 02-07-2011, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Reveeen

The trick is going to be locating a 100 series Mercedes car from the 60's for the transmission (auto, or standard) that, combined with the flywheel, and starter, will give you a package to install.

Yeah, I can't imagine trying to use a gas transmission with a diesel. Nor would I want to try and adapt a modern diesel transmission to a Mercedes diesel.

katoranger · 02-07-2011, 01:23 PM

This is all just a brainstorm. A better suited truck would be easier for the install. Not much room in the ranger.

I don't think the isuzu reefer units will work. Finding a 240d mercedes and just swapping out the whole drivetrain would be a better idea.

Reveeen · 02-07-2011, 04:10 PM

240D I *think* would physically be too long (in line 6), they are not as good an engine as the 4 cylinder, though maybe the transmission would fit to the 4?

The concern is not really the transmission, it is the final drive (rear end) ratio. Top gear in most automotive transmissions is 1:1 (unless you are into a 5/6 speed overdrive and big bucks), so you have to pick an engine that works with the rear end ratio you have, or is available. You have to match engine rpm directly to top speed (as the transmission is 1:1) . This is why for a light automotive application you are aiming towards an engine that revs to around 3200-3600. This puts a bit of a damper on engines that will "work".

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Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	The search function doesn't always tell the whole story with this forum software. I agree that a tech-specific two-stroke section would be easier to navigate. That way, when Mr. Reveeen (or whomever) posts an informational topic about reed valves, I can find it. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	Is there much china 2-stroke? The only things I have seen are pocket bikes and a few 50cc scooters. __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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BillR Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 588	Can you check the numbers of topics? Have those related to 2-stroke questions in stated in the subject area..."2-Stroke". See how much 2-stroke traffic there may be. I agree with the tech specific instead of just bikes. It would make it easier to find answers or post information. Bill R
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Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Does it have to be China-only? Maybe it could be a sub category within Other Stuff. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	A 2-stroke open to all makes would be fun. I was looking at some detroit diesels to stick into my ranger. :wink: __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	This is all just a brainstorm. A better suited truck would be easier for the install. Not much room in the ranger. I don't think the isuzu reefer units will work. Finding a 240d mercedes and just swapping out the whole drivetrain would be a better idea. __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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02-07-2011, 04:10 PM	#15
Reveeen Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: orbital platform Posts: 741	240D I think would physically be too long (in line 6), they are not as good an engine as the 4 cylinder, though maybe the transmission would fit to the 4? The concern is not really the transmission, it is the final drive (rear end) ratio. Top gear in most automotive transmissions is 1:1 (unless you are into a 5/6 speed overdrive and big bucks), so you have to pick an engine that works with the rear end ratio you have, or is available. You have to match engine rpm directly to top speed (as the transmission is 1:1) . This is why for a light automotive application you are aiming towards an engine that revs to around 3200-3600. This puts a bit of a damper on engines that will "work".
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