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09-21-2023, 11:31 AM | #1 |
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Vader from Kronik or Hellcat from Q9
Hey all,
I'm new to all this and just curious - thoughts on a Vader form Kronik or a Hellcat from Q9? Right now, they're both the same price. Is one of a better quality than the other? Kronik - seems to have good reviews, like the looks more. Q9 - don't mind the looks, I'm in Wisconsin, so if I have issues they're close by? Any thoughts or feedback would be appreciated! |
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09-21-2023, 11:55 AM | #2 |
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Personally i would go with the KP Mini 150. Much higher quality bike with More HP. + 2 year part warranty. really worth the extra money.
https://www.venommotorsportsusa.com/...e-street-legal They also have An EFI version. https://www.venommotorsportsusa.com/...jected-5-speed
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Also Venom Motorsports is probably one of the best Dealers to buy from. They stand behind what they sell.
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09-24-2023, 03:45 PM | #6 |
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I think the EFI version also has an updated speedometer too but not positive if the newer carb version might be updated too.
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09-25-2023, 09:35 AM | #8 |
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I bought a Vader during pandemic in 2020 from Pete at Kronik- no complaints. Great pricing, easy transaction and it was to my door in Michigan in 3 days (I believe he had it drop shipped directly from the importer in Canada).
BUT... I'd only go that route now if you plan to do similar to what I did, which was upgrade/replace/change everything. It's a great platform for a custom build, Grom stuff fits almost exactly, if not precisely, and it has a very compatible wiring harness for any add ons or different engines. Mine is now a ZS212 with 4v Daytona head, Kepspeed exhaust, big 'ol oil cooler, OE Grom parts where I can, such as axles, bolts and fasteners, PWK28 flatslide carb, Noi flat embroidered seat... too much to post. BUT (again), if I planned on buying something reliable and Grom sized, that wasn't a Grom, I'd get the EFI KP Mini 150. Especially if the intent was to leave it mostly stock except for some farkles and aesthetic add-ons. Not that there is a single thing wrong with a Gen 2 Vader... but stock for stock, the KP Mini is superior. |
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10-14-2023, 06:34 PM | #9 |
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Thanks to the KP Mini being street legal in California, Kronik also stocks those. Actually, Kronik had them on their site for quite a while, but could not sell them locally. The original question was about which to choose between a Vader and a Hellcat--Pete at Kronik had told me several years back why he chooses to only stock the Vader and not Taotao products. Since he is a California authorized dealer with a brick and mortar store, he could actually sell Hellcats since they are also California legal, but chooses not to.
But, yes, look into spending a bit more and strongly consider the KP Mini. Pete will tell you all about them.
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Edit: I should add that there are not many Chinese bikes, or at least weren't, that were California legal, so not carrying the Tao was surprising to me since the mini category has been 'hot' for quite a while, but he really did not care for them.
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