Sukida SK125-2 Pharoah

JRH · 02-15-2013, 01:24 PM

Hi Guys,

I'm based in the UK, but UK/EU spares backup for these things just does not exist!

I got a 2008 Sukida 125-2 Pharoah, bought for peanuts, so it's worth spending a few bucks putting right. However......

It's a clone of the late 70's/early 80's Honda CG, and I've put a few CG parts on it already (Drive rubbers, Chain, Sprocket, front brake cylinder, headstock bearings), but the front brake disc (Rotor?) is warped beyond all recognition. I've sent it off to a supposed specialist, and had it trued and it has come back more warped than before! I need to find another, but I cannot find anything close to it.

At the spindle end, it's Honda CG ES-4 (centre bore, fixing holes, offset etc all match up), but the overall diameter of the CG is 240mm, where as the Sukida is 202mm. I've borrowed a brake caliper from a local instructor who has Brazilian built CG-125's on his training fleet and offered it up to the Sukida (with the hope that if it fits I'll fit a bigger disc), but the mounting holes on the bracket are just a teensy bit out (in relation to the holes on the fork leg)... enough for it to be a problem and not fit.

Now, I know that the Chinese NEVER design their own stuff, they prefer to rip off others existing designs. But what have Sukida ripped off on this model? I've spent days trawling the web looking at pictures, firing off emails to vendors and asking for dimensions etc only to be told no dice.

Without a replacement disc, the bike is effectively a write off, as it's dangerous in it's current condition (it will snatch and lock the wheel under normal braking). I've spent too much money now to warrant junking the bike, else I'd have it stripped and on ebay already!

Help!!!!!

katoranger · 02-15-2013, 01:40 PM

Do you have any pics? Thinking that they may have used a rotor from a different honda model.

JRH · 02-15-2013, 01:43 PM

I do indeed have a pic....

I've been thru most of the Honda range, even the early 80's CB125 etc. Race type stuff like the CBR-125 is out, as they have the floating type rotor.

I'll try and find the pic - I took one when I got it back last night.

Can you attach on this forum?

J

JRH · 02-15-2013, 01:55 PM

This is what I currently have:

The bike is a carbon copy of this (1981 CG), except for the brakes are on the right side of the forks, and the disc looks bigger on the CG!

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FastDoc · 02-15-2013, 02:35 PM

That Honda is interesting in as much as it has an enclosed chain. You don't see many bikes like that. Last one I recall seeing may have been a Jawa.

JRH · 02-15-2013, 02:40 PM

The Sukida had a chain guard identical to that.... until I swapped the chain for a much chunkier CG type and had to bend the upper guard out a bit to stop the edges of the chain rattling on it! As a result, the bottom guard will no longer fit!

This is in "as bought" condition... has sat outside for about 2 years!

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FastDoc · 02-15-2013, 03:07 PM

I love that classic Honda look. I have a 1972 CB175 and in my eyes the early small Hondas (and clones, apparantly) are lovely bikes.

JRH · 02-15-2013, 03:21 PM

The Sukida had a chain guard identical to that.... until I swapped the chain for a much chunkier CG type and had to bend the upper guard out a bit to stop the edges of the chain rattling on it! As a result, the bottom guard will no longer fit!

This is in "as bought" condition... has sat outside for about 2 years!

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FastDoc · 02-15-2013, 03:25 PM

Are the passanger pegs bolted to the swingarm?

JRH · 02-15-2013, 03:29 PM

Yep...

They sure are!

J

FastDoc · 02-15-2013, 04:45 PM

That's gotta be an odd (and maybe dangerous) sensation for the passenger!

humanbeing · 02-16-2013, 03:47 AM

This? http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=16170654283
Ask the importer (learnerlegal.com) for quotation. | Indonesian Honda GL series seems using the SAME disk 45121-KG2-??? http://detail.b2b.cn/trade/600/70/01/600700154.htm | The 80s GL145 ancestor: http://www.lnmoto.cn/bbs/thread-415209-1-1.html

JRH · 02-16-2013, 06:53 AM

Hi Humanbeing,

The first item looks to be exactly what I need, having pulled the dimensions out of the Chinese text on the site. I'll drop learnerlegal.com a mail with that link, and see what they can do.

Now I have a Honda part number for the GL-145 disc, I'll make some calls Monday to my friendly local Honda agent, and see if they can get some further info on dimensions. It does look slightly different - in the same way as the later CG, so I'm suspecting it may be slightly bigger, probably 220mm. I ran the page thru google translate and couldn't pick up any sizes.

And Fastdoc, I'd say the rear pegs on the swingarm would be a bit of a strange sensation.... but here in Limeyland you aren't allowed to carry a passenger on a 125cc unless you have a full bike license - and if you have a full bike license, then why do you want to ride a 125cc? lol I do have a full bike ticket (900cc Triumph Trident), but have this one for the missus to zip about on and get some road hours in whilst learning to ride a big bike. Having said that, 2 up on a 125cc would be pretty scary, as they aren't the biggest or most powerful thing in the world - I wouldn't want to try it, regardless of where the rear footpegs are! :-)

J

katoranger · 02-16-2013, 09:07 AM

The ct70 passenger pegs are mounted to the swingarm.

Weldangrind · 02-16-2013, 04:38 PM

Welcome JRH!

Since you've come this far, have you considered swapping a CG125 front end on?

02-15-2013, 01:24 PM	#1
JRH Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 12	Sukida SK125-2 Pharoah Hi Guys, I'm based in the UK, but UK/EU spares backup for these things just does not exist! I got a 2008 Sukida 125-2 Pharoah, bought for peanuts, so it's worth spending a few bucks putting right. However...... It's a clone of the late 70's/early 80's Honda CG, and I've put a few CG parts on it already (Drive rubbers, Chain, Sprocket, front brake cylinder, headstock bearings), but the front brake disc (Rotor?) is warped beyond all recognition. I've sent it off to a supposed specialist, and had it trued and it has come back more warped than before! I need to find another, but I cannot find anything close to it. At the spindle end, it's Honda CG ES-4 (centre bore, fixing holes, offset etc all match up), but the overall diameter of the CG is 240mm, where as the Sukida is 202mm. I've borrowed a brake caliper from a local instructor who has Brazilian built CG-125's on his training fleet and offered it up to the Sukida (with the hope that if it fits I'll fit a bigger disc), but the mounting holes on the bracket are just a teensy bit out (in relation to the holes on the fork leg)... enough for it to be a problem and not fit. Now, I know that the Chinese NEVER design their own stuff, they prefer to rip off others existing designs. But what have Sukida ripped off on this model? I've spent days trawling the web looking at pictures, firing off emails to vendors and asking for dimensions etc only to be told no dice. Without a replacement disc, the bike is effectively a write off, as it's dangerous in it's current condition (it will snatch and lock the wheel under normal braking). I've spent too much money now to warrant junking the bike, else I'd have it stripped and on ebay already! Help!!!!!
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02-15-2013, 01:40 PM	#2
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	Do you have any pics? Thinking that they may have used a rotor from a different honda model. __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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02-15-2013, 02:35 PM	#5
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	That Honda is interesting in as much as it has an enclosed chain. You don't see many bikes like that. Last one I recall seeing may have been a Jawa. __________________ Happy to serve.
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02-15-2013, 03:07 PM	#7
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	I love that classic Honda look. I have a 1972 CB175 and in my eyes the early small Hondas (and clones, apparantly) are lovely bikes. __________________ Happy to serve.
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02-15-2013, 03:25 PM	#9
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	Are the passanger pegs bolted to the swingarm? __________________ Happy to serve.
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02-15-2013, 01:43 PM	#3
JRH Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 12	I do indeed have a pic.... I've been thru most of the Honda range, even the early 80's CB125 etc. Race type stuff like the CBR-125 is out, as they have the floating type rotor. I'll try and find the pic - I took one when I got it back last night. Can you attach on this forum? J
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02-15-2013, 01:55 PM	#4
JRH Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 12	This is what I currently have: The bike is a carbon copy of this (1981 CG), except for the brakes are on the right side of the forks, and the disc looks bigger on the CG! [/img]
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02-15-2013, 02:40 PM	#6
JRH Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 12	The Sukida had a chain guard identical to that.... until I swapped the chain for a much chunkier CG type and had to bend the upper guard out a bit to stop the edges of the chain rattling on it! As a result, the bottom guard will no longer fit! This is in "as bought" condition... has sat outside for about 2 years! [/img]
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02-15-2013, 03:21 PM	#8
JRH Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 12	The Sukida had a chain guard identical to that.... until I swapped the chain for a much chunkier CG type and had to bend the upper guard out a bit to stop the edges of the chain rattling on it! As a result, the bottom guard will no longer fit! This is in "as bought" condition... has sat outside for about 2 years! [/img]
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02-15-2013, 03:29 PM	#10
JRH Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 12	Yep... They sure are! J
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02-15-2013, 04:45 PM	#11
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	That's gotta be an odd (and maybe dangerous) sensation for the passenger! __________________ Happy to serve.
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02-16-2013, 03:47 AM	#12
humanbeing Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,436	This? http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=16170654283 Ask the importer (learnerlegal.com) for quotation. \| Indonesian Honda GL series seems using the SAME disk 45121-KG2-??? http://detail.b2b.cn/trade/600/70/01/600700154.htm \| The 80s GL145 ancestor: http://www.lnmoto.cn/bbs/thread-415209-1-1.html
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02-16-2013, 06:53 AM	#13
JRH Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 12	Hi Humanbeing, The first item looks to be exactly what I need, having pulled the dimensions out of the Chinese text on the site. I'll drop learnerlegal.com a mail with that link, and see what they can do. Now I have a Honda part number for the GL-145 disc, I'll make some calls Monday to my friendly local Honda agent, and see if they can get some further info on dimensions. It does look slightly different - in the same way as the later CG, so I'm suspecting it may be slightly bigger, probably 220mm. I ran the page thru google translate and couldn't pick up any sizes. And Fastdoc, I'd say the rear pegs on the swingarm would be a bit of a strange sensation.... but here in Limeyland you aren't allowed to carry a passenger on a 125cc unless you have a full bike license - and if you have a full bike license, then why do you want to ride a 125cc? lol I do have a full bike ticket (900cc Triumph Trident), but have this one for the missus to zip about on and get some road hours in whilst learning to ride a big bike. Having said that, 2 up on a 125cc would be pretty scary, as they aren't the biggest or most powerful thing in the world - I wouldn't want to try it, regardless of where the rear footpegs are! :-) J
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02-16-2013, 09:07 AM	#14
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	The ct70 passenger pegs are mounted to the swingarm. __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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02-16-2013, 04:38 PM	#15
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Welcome JRH! Since you've come this far, have you considered swapping a CG125 front end on? __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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