Thinking about a X-Pro Templar..

riddlerap · 07-12-2022, 12:51 AM

I read that 20+ page about the Templar and then realized a lot of the posts were about the Templar X, which seems to be discontinued. The search function won't work for me on the site on mobile, so hopefully this hasn't been asked before but.. what are the main differences between the X and the regular one?

I was considering the Apollo 250 but then saw the Templar had the lights and most of the stuff required to title and register it. This will be my first bike ever, and I've seen all the comments about upgrading/changing diff things like the carb and sprockets etc Really just want to make sure the Templar (non X model) can be upgraded/tuned just like the X. Mostly looking to add HP so that it can go faster for road speeds, although I do plan to use it on trails most of the time, but I live in a rural area where 55 mph streets are common and I don't wanna top out right at the speed limit.

Edit: somehow in the last 4 hours the Templar was taken off Amazon, which is where I planned on buying. Now kinda lost and might just do the Apollo. I guess technically I'd have the same questions about the Apollo for upgrading.

2nd edit: Templar is on powersportsmax so I could still do that
. Original questions/concerns stand.

Huck369 · 07-12-2022, 07:13 AM

The only real difference is the suspension, the Templar X comes with fully adjustable forks and Shock, the Templar comes with only pre-load adjustment on the Shock, and no adjustment on the forks.....but still has upside down forks.

Thumper · 07-12-2022, 07:25 AM

Standard Templar 250 still has the same engine as the X. It also has the folding short shifter, bear claw foot pegs, beefy swingarm with heavy duty axel adjusters, much heavier spokes and heavier cast alloy hubs than you will find on any of the dual sports, roller style throttle, and unlike the X, the frame is not black (painted color lime green, red, orange, blue, etc or whatever the options are available)

What's missing? Well the inverted front forks are not adjustable like they are on the X (preload only, not damping). Rear shock also not adjustable. Standard Templar does get a stainless steel exhaust system, but no luggage rack.. I can't tell if there are adjustable levers that did come on my X (photos just don't show that). The engine guard is also missing, and I think the carb is not polished (smoothbore on the X). I think that's all of the differences- it does have the kill switch.

I have been impressed with build quality of Templar X. Welds are excellent, and components are definitely above average. I don't know if Zuumav has ever imported anything to US market before these two bikes, but the build quality demonstrates that Zuumav has been building enduros for racing for years. They know how to build excellent frames. There are mounts for twin radiators on my frame, so this frame probably gets a 300 cc liquid cooled engine in other markets. It is clearly strong enough to handle that power. I will probably eventually do that!

Nutcracker · 07-12-2022, 07:39 AM

Templar is a completely different frame measuring 6 inch's shorter wheelbase. Not sure of manufacturer. TemplarX has similar frame as Kayo T4, TM38 EGL A16 etc. Leaving more room for engine upgrades and cargo space.

Thumper · 07-12-2022, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Nutcracker

Templar is a completely different frame measuring 6 inch's shorter wheelbase. Not sure of manufacturer. TemplarX has similar frame as Kayo T4, TM38 EGL A16 etc. Leaving more room for engine upgrades and cargo space.

Yes. I read this when the Templar came out earlier this year. The X frame is powdercoated too. But I am not sure this is not a Zuumav product. All of the shared components are alike. No one has posted ANY information on Twemplar 250 here yet. No one has bought one and described it here yet. A good set of close up pictures and a review would be nice.

I am going to contact PowersportsMax and ask if they are planning another lot of the X model. But as of right now, July 12th they are still listing the standard Templar for $1599 ($300 shipping, I think). Gone from Amazon, but it is cheaper directly from Powersportsmax anyway.

riddlerap · 07-12-2022, 08:55 AM

I'll probably be taking the plunge on one today, so when it gets here, I could update every one. I saw someone on YouTube say that Henner sells a custom suspension set for the Templar, so long term I could buy that maybe. I wonder how much the size/space difference would make on being able to modify. I saw Henners big bore engine upgrade, I can't tell if it's for the X or both.

riddlerap · 07-12-2022, 08:59 AM

Would anyone recommend the Apollo over the Templar since I can't get the X version? How easy would adding lights and mirrors be to a bike? The Apollo has a bigger wheelbase, so I don't know if that would make it better for modifications and whatnot

Thumper · 07-12-2022, 09:22 AM

I like the engine on the Templar (ZS172FMM), and the Templar frame appears a bit more substantial. But the extra length of the frame on the Apollo might be good. The Templar comes with a 520 chain/sprockets. Can't tell with the Apollo.

riddlerap · 07-12-2022, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Thumper

I like the engine on the Templar (ZS172FMM), and the Templar frame appears a bit more substantial. But the extra length of the frame on the Apollo might be good. The Templar comes with a 520 chain/sprockets. Can't tell with the Apollo.

Being so new to this thing, I just have no idea which to go with! I'm leaning Templar. One thing I found weird is that the Apollo claims 70+ mph whereas Templar claims only 60+ out of the box. Both seem to be solid, I just hope I'm not screwing myself long-term by getting a bike I can't upgrade.

Thumper · 07-12-2022, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by riddlerap

Being so new to this thing, I just have no idea which to go with! I'm leaning Templar. One thing I found weird is that the Apollo claims 70+ mph whereas Templar claims only 60+ out of the box. Both seem to be solid, I just hope I'm not screwing myself long-term by getting a bike I can't upgrade.

I can tell you from experience that the Templar X is geared down with a 49Tooth rear sprocket and a 13T front sprocket. I did not look... maybe the number of teeth on the sprockets is listed on the specs for the Templar 250?
Personally I like that low gearing for off road riding, but a 42 or 39T rear sprocket will increase top speed, and the 172FMM engine has plenty of power to go 70mpg.

Replacing the rear sprocket is not a difficult job. And you will need a chain break to shorten the chain. That's also pretty easy. People change sprockets and discuss it on the forum all the time.

**JerryHawk250** · 07-12-2022, 09:59 AM

I don't know what kind of money you have to spend but if you are looking for something right out the box that can run 75+ mph you might want to look at the Lifan KPX 250. It's has a 250cc engine that puts out 20 hp and has a 6 speed transmission. It is also fuel injected and street legal so there is no issue on getting ir registered and tagged unless you are in California. It also has a full 2 year 12,000 mile warranty with excellent after sales support. well worth the extra money. No need to change sprockets or worry about tuning a carb. Right now i think Venom Motorsports is about the only place that are selling them. Venom is also a excellent dealer to deal with. I just picked one up a few weeks ago. https://www.venommotorsportsusa.com/...d-street-legal

riddlerap · 07-12-2022, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

I don't know what kind of money you have to spend but if you are looking for something right out the box that can run 75+ mph you might want to look at the Lifan KPX 250. It's has a 250cc engine that puts out 20 hp and has a 6 speed transmission. It is also fuel injected and street legal so there is no issue on getting ir registered and tagged unless you are in California. It also has a full 2 year 12,000 mile warranty with excellent after sales support. well worth the extra money. No need to change sprockets or worry about tuning a carb. Right now i think Venom Motorsports is about the only place that are selling them. Venom is also a excellent dealer to deal with. I just picked one up a few weeks ago. https://www.venommotorsportsusa.com/...d-street-legal

Appreciate the idea, I'm looking to stay under or right at $2k. I don't mind work needing to be done, I have an extremely handy neighbor and am looking forward to learning how to work on it.
I'm about 99% all in on the Templar, so I will keep people posted when I get it and learn more about the parts and everything!

riddlerap · 07-12-2022, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Thumper

I can tell you from experience that the Templar X is geared down with a 49Tooth rear sprocket and a 13T front sprocket. I did not look... maybe the number of teeth on the sprockets is listed on the specs for the Templar 250?
Personally I like that low gearing for off road riding, but a 42 or 39T rear sprocket will increase top speed, and the 172FMM engine has plenty of power to go 70mpg.

Replacing the rear sprocket is not a difficult job. And you will need a chain break to shorten the chain. That's also pretty easy. People change sprockets and discuss it on the forum all the time.

Okay thanks, this makes me feel better!

riddlerap · 07-12-2022, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Thumper

Yes. I read this when the Templar came out earlier this year. The X frame is powdercoated too. But I am not sure this is not a Zuumav product. All of the shared components are alike. No one has posted ANY information on Twemplar 250 here yet. No one has bought one and described it here yet. A good set of close up pictures and a review would be nice.

I am going to contact PowersportsMax and ask if they are planning another lot of the X model. But as of right now, July 12th they are still listing the standard Templar for $1599 ($300 shipping, I think). Gone from Amazon, but it is cheaper directly from Powersportsmax anyway.

I just called them and they said in 2 weeks they should be restocked. Now I wonder if it's worth waiting for.

For anyone who did buy a Templar X, what was the cost? If it's hundreds more than the Templar, I might just take their Prime Day sale price today.

Thumper · 07-12-2022, 10:51 AM

That's the Templar 250 they have now, not the X 250. As I recall I paid $1850 for the X (plus $300 shipping).
Oh. You called. Missed that. The X might be $1900 when they reintroduce, but it is worth every penny.

07-12-2022, 12:51 AM	#1
riddlerap Join Date: Jul 2022 Posts: 62	Thinking about a X-Pro Templar.. I read that 20+ page about the Templar and then realized a lot of the posts were about the Templar X, which seems to be discontinued. The search function won't work for me on the site on mobile, so hopefully this hasn't been asked before but.. what are the main differences between the X and the regular one? I was considering the Apollo 250 but then saw the Templar had the lights and most of the stuff required to title and register it. This will be my first bike ever, and I've seen all the comments about upgrading/changing diff things like the carb and sprockets etc Really just want to make sure the Templar (non X model) can be upgraded/tuned just like the X. Mostly looking to add HP so that it can go faster for road speeds, although I do plan to use it on trails most of the time, but I live in a rural area where 55 mph streets are common and I don't wanna top out right at the speed limit. Edit: somehow in the last 4 hours the Templar was taken off Amazon, which is where I planned on buying. Now kinda lost and might just do the Apollo. I guess technically I'd have the same questions about the Apollo for upgrading. 2nd edit: Templar is on powersportsmax so I could still do that . Original questions/concerns stand. Last edited by riddlerap; 07-12-2022 at 01:32 AM.
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07-12-2022, 07:13 AM	#2
Huck369 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Somerset, KY Posts: 686	The only real difference is the suspension, the Templar X comes with fully adjustable forks and Shock, the Templar comes with only pre-load adjustment on the Shock, and no adjustment on the forks.....but still has upside down forks. __________________ Huck 2013 Honda NC700X 2013 Moto Guzzi V7 Stone 2016 AJP PR4 2022 Templar X 250 2021 Sondors Metacycle AMA Life Member
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07-12-2022, 07:25 AM	#3
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,335	Standard Templar 250 still has the same engine as the X. It also has the folding short shifter, bear claw foot pegs, beefy swingarm with heavy duty axel adjusters, much heavier spokes and heavier cast alloy hubs than you will find on any of the dual sports, roller style throttle, and unlike the X, the frame is not black (painted color lime green, red, orange, blue, etc or whatever the options are available) What's missing? Well the inverted front forks are not adjustable like they are on the X (preload only, not damping). Rear shock also not adjustable. Standard Templar does get a stainless steel exhaust system, but no luggage rack.. I can't tell if there are adjustable levers that did come on my X (photos just don't show that). The engine guard is also missing, and I think the carb is not polished (smoothbore on the X). I think that's all of the differences- it does have the kill switch. I have been impressed with build quality of Templar X. Welds are excellent, and components are definitely above average. I don't know if Zuumav has ever imported anything to US market before these two bikes, but the build quality demonstrates that Zuumav has been building enduros for racing for years. They know how to build excellent frames. There are mounts for twin radiators on my frame, so this frame probably gets a 300 cc liquid cooled engine in other markets. It is clearly strong enough to handle that power. I will probably eventually do that! Last edited by Thumper; 07-12-2022 at 08:53 AM.
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07-12-2022, 07:39 AM	#4
Nutcracker Join Date: Mar 2022 Posts: 107	Templar is a completely different frame measuring 6 inch's shorter wheelbase. Not sure of manufacturer. TemplarX has similar frame as Kayo T4, TM38 EGL A16 etc. Leaving more room for engine upgrades and cargo space. Last edited by Nutcracker; 07-12-2022 at 07:48 AM. Reason: Word choice
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07-12-2022, 09:59 AM	#11
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,571	I don't know what kind of money you have to spend but if you are looking for something right out the box that can run 75+ mph you might want to look at the Lifan KPX 250. It's has a 250cc engine that puts out 20 hp and has a 6 speed transmission. It is also fuel injected and street legal so there is no issue on getting ir registered and tagged unless you are in California. It also has a full 2 year 12,000 mile warranty with excellent after sales support. well worth the extra money. No need to change sprockets or worry about tuning a carb. Right now i think Venom Motorsports is about the only place that are selling them. Venom is also a excellent dealer to deal with. I just picked one up a few weeks ago. https://www.venommotorsportsusa.com/...d-street-legal __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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07-12-2022, 08:55 AM	#6
riddlerap Join Date: Jul 2022 Posts: 62	I'll probably be taking the plunge on one today, so when it gets here, I could update every one. I saw someone on YouTube say that Henner sells a custom suspension set for the Templar, so long term I could buy that maybe. I wonder how much the size/space difference would make on being able to modify. I saw Henners big bore engine upgrade, I can't tell if it's for the X or both.
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07-12-2022, 08:59 AM	#7
riddlerap Join Date: Jul 2022 Posts: 62	Would anyone recommend the Apollo over the Templar since I can't get the X version? How easy would adding lights and mirrors be to a bike? The Apollo has a bigger wheelbase, so I don't know if that would make it better for modifications and whatnot
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07-12-2022, 09:22 AM	#8
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,335	I like the engine on the Templar (ZS172FMM), and the Templar frame appears a bit more substantial. But the extra length of the frame on the Apollo might be good. The Templar comes with a 520 chain/sprockets. Can't tell with the Apollo.
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07-12-2022, 10:51 AM	#15
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,335	That's the Templar 250 they have now, not the X 250. As I recall I paid $1850 for the X (plus $300 shipping). Oh. You called. Missed that. The X might be $1900 when they reintroduce, but it is worth every penny.
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