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kumatae 06-29-2016 12:07 PM

Rattling Noise While Engaging Clutch & Turning
 
Has anyone experienced a rattling noise from the engine areanwhen they are turning with the clutch engaged? Been noticing it on my bike for couple of weeks but bike seems to be normal so I just keep riding it. How long are our clutch supposed to last?

NoVa Rider 06-29-2016 08:36 PM

Just to clarify, are you hearing the noise when you are in process of letting clutch lever out from a dead stop? So that you're hearing the noise just as clutch begins to engage and bike starts to move? And you don't hear it once the clutch lever is fully released? If so I sometimes experience something similar, though I have not noticed that it's related to turning. I'd like to know what's doing it, but at least it has not gotten worse.

BlackBike 06-29-2016 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NoVa Rider (Post 223113)
Just to clarify, are you hearing the noise when you are in process of letting clutch lever out from a dead stop? So that you're hearing the noise just as clutch begins to engage and bike starts to move? And you don't hear it once the clutch lever is fully released? If so I sometimes experience something similar, though I have not noticed that it's related to turning. I'd like to know what's doing it, but at least it has not gotten worse.

I'd say your due for a shakedown. Get in garage with good light and twist and turn and bump everything looking for loose fasteners. Loose wheel spokes?

Check your muff support connection and also th steering nut. Check stuff under the seat too.

DanKearney 06-30-2016 08:37 AM

I don't quite understand how turning is involved. I can tell you however that it is normal to hear rattling if you are sitting at a stop and hold the clutch lever in. Most bikes with basket clutches do that.

Cheers,

Dan K.

2LZ 06-30-2016 10:46 AM

Mine makes more noise in neutral with the lever out. I pull in the lever and it quiets up considerably. I've heard this on many bikes but I think the plastic covers on the RX3 hides no sounds.

surfndirt 07-01-2016 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kumatae (Post 223071)
Has anyone experienced a rattling noise from the engine areanwhen they are turning with the clutch engaged? Been noticing it on my bike for couple of weeks but bike seems to be normal so I just keep riding it. How long are our clutch supposed to last?

Yes mine's always done this...I've got 2500 mi on it now so I guess it's "normal".

kumatae 07-01-2016 05:17 PM

It's a weird phenomenon that I have hard time describing. Joe mentioned that my clutch cable could be too tight and when I turn it's making it pull even more which makes total sense. I loosened the cable but with no luck. It still rattles. It's not a big deal. I'm taking my bike to CSC for some warranty parts the Gerry is going to check and so I'll ask him about it if its something I should be concerned with.

Sorry for the lack of responses, I thought I had subscribed to this thread but apparently not.

vickytulla 07-09-2018 12:18 PM

@2LZ sir I have started to notice this noise as well, I want to ask is it normal or shoudl I be heading to mechnic (its far in the other out skirt of city so I will have to plan) and I am bit concerned as I have to head Himalaya in a pretty darn heavy offroad trek I have already romove a lot of thing to reduce weight though,,, HELP!!!



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Originally Posted by 2LZ (Post 223197)
Mine makes more noise in neutral with the lever out. I pull in the lever and it quiets up considerably. I've heard this on many bikes but I think the plastic covers on the RX3 hides no sounds.


rjmorel 07-09-2018 03:51 PM

Mine makes the clutch noise also. I Think it's normal ,At least my clutch seems to work fine. rj

2LZ 07-09-2018 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by vickytulla (Post 285611)
@2LZ sir I have started to notice this noise as well, I want to ask is it normal or shoudl I be heading to mechnic (its far in the other out skirt of city so I will have to plan) and I am bit concerned as I have to head Himalaya in a pretty darn heavy offroad trek I have already romove a lot of thing to reduce weight though,,, HELP!!!

I just had both the RX3's out this weekend and both make more noise in neutral with the clutch out. I've not thought much about it. Most have my bikes have made this noise.

That said, you have far more and rougher miles on yours than we do. Did the noise just start or quickly get worse? I know Spud had the big crank nut fling off after a lot of miles.
CSC had it in the tutorials I believe but I can't locate it now.

rd1959 07-09-2018 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 2LZ (Post 285630)
I just had both the RX3's out this weekend and both make more noise in neutral with the clutch out. I've not thought much about it. Most have my bikes have made this noise.

That said, you have far more and rougher miles on yours than we do. Did the noise just start or quickly get worse? I know Spud had the big crank nut fling off after a lot of miles.
CSC had it in the tutorials I believe but I can't locate it now.

Mine started making that noise after the first oil change. Similar to (but not as loud) a dry clutch.

NzBrakelathes 07-09-2018 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rd1959 (Post 285657)
Mine started making that noise after the first oil change. Similar to (but not as loud) a dry clutch.

Clutch basket rattle on all 3 of my RX3 bikes 0 squeeze clutch in and no sound or next to nothing? very common.
my latest bike the nut on crank loose the gear drives to the clutch and was very very loud.
Drain water n oil check it if needed - clutch rattle is common tho and goes away while squeezing the clutch.

vickytulla 08-03-2018 06:59 AM

1 - I am observing the bike for this noise now there are more symptoms of some thing fishy then noise, I can not bring it to neutral if I am at standing still and engine running, it used to get neutral without effort usually.....



2 - also gear shifts are harder then before I thought it was just clutch adjust ment but on checking it was fine and tightening the clutch doest help much.... instead I have to release more clutch to make the bike move..



3 - Bike if put in gear and clutch pressed is impossible to reverse with foot, say you aer parked in a lot and now you want to paddle it reverse on foot and it is start and gear engaged (as if u mistanely put it in gear and now there is no way to bring it to neautral) you cannot reverse it... have to shut it down brint into neautral and the paddle...




4 - The rattle sound becomes loud when engine is super hot .. like 3~4 dots on heat gauge.



:ohno: please dont tell me I need a new basket???




Quote:

Originally Posted by 2LZ (Post 285630)
I just had both the RX3's out this weekend and both make more noise in neutral with the clutch out. I've not thought much about it. Most have my bikes have made this noise.

That said, you have far more and rougher miles on yours than we do. Did the noise just start or quickly get worse? I know Spud had the big crank nut fling off after a lot of miles.
CSC had it in the tutorials I believe but I can't locate it now.


Huck369 08-03-2018 07:20 AM

My RX3's clutch makes some noise on occasion too.....but go ride a big block Moto Guzzi, they have a dry clutch, and make a LOT more noise then my RX3

pete 08-03-2018 07:35 AM

A lot of jap bikes have a anti shudder ring in the clutch
stack to stop the rattling noise... On my XT660 is is in the first plate
to go in or last plate to come out in the stack...
against the back of the hub... that plate is half as wide as the other
fricton plates and on the inside of it there is a narrow wave washer/strip
that keeps tension on the stack when the clutch is pulled to stop them moveing around/rattleing..

I would say it normal in a motor with out the anti shudder ring..

PS... have you ever heard a dry clutch on a Ducati where theres no oil to damp the sound
of the clutch and air vents in the clutch cover...

ChrisWNY 08-03-2018 07:48 AM

What weight oil are you running in your engine? You could try a thicker oil to quiet those gears down...if you're running a 10W-40, try a 20W-50 in the engine. Make sure it's motorcycle oil, wet clutch rated.

rjmorel 08-03-2018 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by vickytulla (Post 287430)
1 - I am observing the bike for this noise now there are more symptoms of some thing fishy then noise, I can not bring it to neutral if I am at standing still and engine running, it used to get neutral without effort usually.....



2 - also gear shifts are harder then before I thought it was just clutch adjust ment but on checking it was fine and tightening the clutch doest help much.... instead I have to release more clutch to make the bike move..



3 - Bike if put in gear and clutch pressed is impossible to reverse with foot, say you aer parked in a lot and now you want to paddle it reverse on foot and it is start and gear engaged (as if u mistanely put it in gear and now there is no way to bring it to neautral) you cannot reverse it... have to shut it down brint into neautral and the paddle...




4 - The rattle sound becomes loud when engine is super hot .. like 3~4 dots on heat gauge.



:ohno: please dont tell me I need a new basket???

How many miles on the engine oil? When I get around 3000 mi on my engine oil ,it gets harder to put in neutral. Im using 20-50wt synthetic that CSC sells

sqwert 08-05-2018 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by vickytulla (Post 287430)
1 - I am observing the bike for this noise now there are more symptoms of some thing fishy then noise, I can not bring it to neutral if I am at standing still and engine running, it used to get neutral without effort usually.....



2 - also gear shifts are harder then before I thought it was just clutch adjust ment but on checking it was fine and tightening the clutch doest help much.... instead I have to release more clutch to make the bike move..



3 - Bike if put in gear and clutch pressed is impossible to reverse with foot, say you aer parked in a lot and now you want to paddle it reverse on foot and it is start and gear engaged (as if u mistanely put it in gear and now there is no way to bring it to neautral) you cannot reverse it... have to shut it down brint into neautral and the paddle...




4 - The rattle sound becomes loud when engine is super hot .. like 3~4 dots on heat gauge.



:ohno: please dont tell me I need a new basket???

Sounds like the clutch is dragging. Check the cable is not pinched/stretched/damaged/corroded/misrouted to prevent a total release when the hand lever is released. Loosen the adjustment at the hand lever and disconnect. Loosen the adjustment at the engine and disconnect. Insure the inner wire moves freely in the outer sheath. Insure the levers at each end move freely. Lubricate each end of the cable with an appropriate lubricant/rust preventative. Many rust preventatives do not lubricate very well for very long, or they attract and retain crud. If movement is free, reattach both ends of the cable, hand lever adjustment in all the way. Adjust at the engine end first. This allows maximum adjustment as necessary at the easier-to-reach hand lever end.

I've seen dozens of clutches and spring sets replaced over the years when the problem was damage or corrosion in the cable or connections/adjusters at one end. Such things are very hard to see, but very easy to feel and isolate when all the pieces are disconnected. Check for freedom of movement as each component is installed. One screw can make all the difference, and the reason can be simply invisible.

vickytulla 08-06-2018 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisWNY (Post 287434)
What weight oil are you running in your engine? You could try a thicker oil to quiet those gears down...if you're running a 10W-40, try a 20W-50 in the engine. Make sure it's motorcycle oil, wet clutch rated.


Quote:

Originally Posted by rjmorel (Post 287452)
How many miles on the engine oil? When I get around 3000 mi on my engine oil ,it gets harder to put in neutral. Im using 20-50wt synthetic that CSC sells


I am using 20w-50 from Havoline its a JASO-MA2 oil which is for bikes.


I change oil at 1500km at max mostly do it 1200~1300 but on tour It went max at 1500km. :ohno::ohno:


I did put clutch to a lot of stress out there in Himalaya, like three times I know when I was constantly dragging clutch for some time to keep bike in torque range.


Now even if bike is shut down and put into gear and clutch lever fully pressed even then bike is not moveable.


I adjusted (tighte more) the Clutch cable thinking that it might have loosened a bit but it did not imprved.

vickytulla 08-06-2018 03:19 AM

That makes sense am going to perform these steps (y) thanks... I hope it works... do not want to open clutch case...







Quote:

Originally Posted by sqwert (Post 287562)
Sounds like the clutch is dragging. Check the cable is not pinched/stretched/damaged/corroded/misrouted to prevent a total release when the hand lever is released. Loosen the adjustment at the hand lever and disconnect. Loosen the adjustment at the engine and disconnect. Insure the inner wire moves freely in the outer sheath. Insure the levers at each end move freely. Lubricate each end of the cable with an appropriate lubricant/rust preventative. Many rust preventatives do not lubricate very well for very long, or they attract and retain crud. If movement is free, reattach both ends of the cable, hand lever adjustment in all the way. Adjust at the engine end first. This allows maximum adjustment as necessary at the easier-to-reach hand lever end.

I've seen dozens of clutches and spring sets replaced over the years when the problem was damage or corrosion in the cable or connections/adjusters at one end. Such things are very hard to see, but very easy to feel and isolate when all the pieces are disconnected. Check for freedom of movement as each component is installed. One screw can make all the difference, and the reason can be simply invisible.



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