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gio2008rider 01-17-2024 02:26 PM

ATV just 'clicks' when I turn the key - is it this loose wire?
 
When I turn the key on my atv, all it does is make one quiet click sound. I had to look at the CDI box to see if it was a problem, and I noticed that one of the wires coming out of it was disconnected (pictured). The other wire is connected to something that looks like a heat sink. What is that other wire supposed to be attached to? And could this be all the starter motor isn't turning?
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Bando 01-18-2024 12:54 PM

Probably it is the starter making a single click and not turning over.

1. Are you sure your batter has an acceptable charge level?

2. Try tapping on your starter with a metal tool as you are pushing the start button. It might get it to turn over. Light taps, don't beat on it.

gio2008rider 01-18-2024 03:30 PM

Thanks!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bando (Post 403708)
Probably it is the starter making a single click and not turning over.

1. Are you sure your batter has an acceptable charge level?

2. Try tapping on your starter with a metal tool as you are pushing the start button. It might get it to turn over. Light taps, don't beat on it.


Okay, I'll try that. Also the pictures I posted didn't upload, but I did them again - so now you can see the wire I am talking about.

gio2008rider 01-18-2024 03:51 PM

I updated the pictures
 
I updated the pictures.

krat 01-18-2024 03:55 PM

Beating on electrics generally does not help. They do not understand what they have done wrong and therefore are difficult to train.

That round thing with a positive and negative terminal you show in the photo is your solenoid. It connects and disconnects battery to starter. Take a heavy lead and jump from + to - on that solenoid and see if your starter turns over.

If it does your solenoid, the starter switch, the Bendix in the starter or the wiring is at fault.

If it still clicks and does nothing your battery is low and needs a full charge or replacement.

9 of 10 times it is the battery or corroded connections at the battery. These machines have a low tolerance for low battery power and the difference between working and not working is only a fraction of a volt.

J4Fun 01-18-2024 04:16 PM

Your wiring looks monkey rigged. The solenoid needs big wire from the battery in one side positive, big wire out to starter positive other side. Small yellow and red hanging there I believe is hot from key or push button, the small green and red is for ground. The two smaller wires are supposed to connect to the solenoid to energize it for start. The big black wire that’s connected on the right-side in the picture is why I said monkey rigged. It is stranded with no end connector. That’s what I was looking at? Again hope I Made myself clearer on my thoughts as that wire was confusing me why its there…

gio2008rider 01-18-2024 04:19 PM

Loose wire
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by krat (Post 403718)
Beating on electrics generally does not help. They do not understand what they have done wrong and therefore are difficult to train.

That round thing with a positive and negative terminal you show in the photo is your solenoid. It connects and disconnects battery to starter. Take a heavy lead and jump from + to - on that solenoid and see if your starter turns over.

If it does your solenoid, the starter switch, the Bendix in the starter or the wiring is at fault.

If it still clicks and does nothing your battery is low and needs a full charge or replacement.

9 of 10 times it is the battery or corroded connections at the battery. These machines have a low tolerance for low battery power and the difference between working and not working is only a fraction of a volt.

What about that red and yellow wire coming out, that isn't connected to anything?

gio2008rider 01-18-2024 04:20 PM

Q
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by J4Fun (Post 403720)
Your wiring looks monkey rigged. The solenoid needs big wire from the battery in one side, big wire out to starter other side. Small yellow and red hanging there I believe is hot from key or push button, the small green and red is for ground. The two smaller wires are supposed to connect to the solenoid to energize it for start… my thoughts


Aren't they coming out of the solenoid?

JerryHawk250 01-18-2024 04:26 PM

As mentioned before. Check all connections for corrosion and having good connection. Make sure you have a good fully charged battery. Checking voltage will not tell you if the battery is good or not. Your local auto parts will do a free load test for you on the battery.

J4Fun 01-18-2024 04:31 PM

Your solenoid is rubber mounted and the two smaller wires as mentioned are there to energize it. There should be contact points for them on the solenoid. If not look and see where they broke off. You may need a new solenoid if the spades are broken or however yours are attached.

J4Fun 01-18-2024 04:40 PM

Yep the two smaller wires come right out of the solenoid to a connector. I’m looking at mine as we speak.

dirtbkr188 01-18-2024 07:48 PM

THIS PIC shows a typical solenoid connector with the same wire colors as yours.


As stated above, there should be a red wire from the battery to the solenoid, and then a second red wire from the solenoid directly to the starter motor terminal. I have no clue what the extra white and black wires attached to the solenoid terminals are for, or where they go, can you tell?

gio2008rider 01-18-2024 07:52 PM

Q
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtbkr188 (Post 403731)
THIS PIC shows a typical solenoid connector with the same wire colors as yours.


As stated above, there should be a red wire from the battery to the solenoid, and then a second red wire from the solenoid directly to the starter motor terminal. I have no clue what the extra white and black wires attached to the solenoid terminals are for, or where they go, can you tell?

But what do those 2 colored wires connect to? On mine 1 is attached to a heat sink looking thing, and the other one is hanging loose.

dirtbkr188 01-18-2024 08:18 PM

They are supposed to plug into the harness, the yellow/red tracer usually comes from the starter button on the handlebars, the green goes to the common ground in the harness. Yours isn't hooked to that "heat sink" (regulator/rectifier), it is just using the mounting screw as a grounding point.

gio2008rider 01-18-2024 08:35 PM

Oh, I see. I assume it would be a problem that its cut?

Also would that explain why it makes 1 soft click but doesn't turn?

dirtbkr188 01-18-2024 10:20 PM

If it's cut, it isn't getting any power from the starter button, and can't make the solenoid click.

J4Fun 01-19-2024 02:54 PM

Thanks dirtbkr188, my post # 6 may make more sense after a few corrections. I think you new what I was thinking!…

dirtbkr188 01-19-2024 04:24 PM

Have any idea where the black & white wires hooked to the solenoid terminals go to? Looks like someone used a household extension cord to do some half-assed wiring job for something. It might be in your best interest to see what's at the other end, it may explain and be a part of your problem.

You need to look at the harness plug where the starter button plugs into the main harness and see if the yellow/red tracer wire is one of the wires in the plug, and then locate that wire where it exits the harness to go to the solenoid.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/6721/yPbNzT.gif

XLsior 01-19-2024 05:05 PM

hooked to the starter ejector seat...

Thumper 01-19-2024 05:29 PM

Shouldn't that loose red wire go to the battery? The two main poles on the solenoid are connected in the solenoid when you press the starter. This connects the battery directly to the starter. The battery ground is connected to the engine case to complete the circuit (this connection would be a good one to check-possible bad ground).

You can test the starter, and the solenoid independently.

1. Test the starter (bypass the starter button). The solenoid completes the circuit from (connects) the battery to the starter when you press the starter button.

That is, it connects the thick wire from the battery to the thick wire that goes to the starter. These are connected to the solenoid main posts. So you can simply connect the two by using a heavy copper wire and touch (connect) these two terminals on the solenoid (or use a screwdriver!). Make sure transmission is in neutral first.

If there is enough juice in the battery, the starter will run...turn over the engine when you bypass the solenoid. No need to have the key turned on (or the engine might start!).

2. Test the solenoid. The starter button may provide 12V to the solenoid or it grounds the solenoid. You can test for either of these. Press the starter button with a charged battery in place. Use an ohmeter to see if pressing the starter button gives 12V to the solenoid. Then test if the solenoid is grounded when you press the starter button.

You mentioned that your solenoid clicks when you press the button, so presumably that starter circuit is intact.

Either way, connect an ohmeter to the two poles that have the heavy wires (one to the battery, the other to the starter). Press the starter button. When you do, the solenoid should click and the posts with the two heavy wires will be connnected if the solenoid works. Ohmeter goes to zero ohms if the solenoid works (connects the two posts...)

If the starter and the solenoid both work, you have a wiring problem, probably a weak ground since it does click when you press the starter button.

gio2008rider 01-20-2024 07:50 PM

Bump

Bruces 01-20-2024 09:15 PM

What was the results of the testing spoon fed to you in post 20 above by Thumper ?

Thumper 01-20-2024 09:35 PM

Bump

gio2008rider 01-21-2024 07:37 PM

Bump

dirtbkr188 01-21-2024 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gio2008rider (Post 403830)
Bump

What's with the Bump? https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/1031/J5Okc5.gif


Apparently, everyone who has replied with advice and information hasn't told you what you want to hear, is that correct?


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